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Welcome to Two hypnotherapists talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia here in Delaware, USA.
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And me Martin Furber in Preston UK.
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This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about fascinating subject of hypnosis and the benefits it offers.
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I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and psychotherapist,
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I'm a retired medical doctor turned consulting hypnotist.
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We are two hypnotherapists talking.
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So let's get on with the episode
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I'm good. I'm good how things over there.
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They're very nice bit hot, but it's it's the end of August. So it's okay.
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Yeah, we're at the dregs end of summer over here with a bank holiday weekend on its way so that usually guarantees rain.
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You could use it for looking at the reports on what's happening with the temps.
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No, we're okay. The North actually we've not been too bad at all weather wise, rain wise, you know, our reservoirs are full. We're talking about pumping it all down south.
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They'll need it. Good. Okay. Well, that, unfortunately cannot be handled by hypnosis. There are some physical things that we don't have control over. But let's, let's have a chat about hypnosis.
2 1:21
Yeah, the myths. That's what we said we talked about today. Yeah, what are the most common myths that we hear? That we can help dispell for some of our listeners.
1 1:32
You can get the I mean, there's a really dramatic one there's that picture that people have in their head. That's probably from Mesmer himself, you know, the Victorian cape and pre-Victorian wasn't he the cape around his shoulders and swinging pocket watches and the very theatrical thing. I think a lot of people still see hypnotists that way and unfortunately, it's still portrayed that way often in movies. My mental pictures.
2 1:57
Was it Mesmer who started the thing with the pocket watch?
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I don't know it was metals and that he used and magnets? First thing they thought magnets would help and of course, you know, down the road, we're using magnets for things.
2 2:13
The expression 'animal-magnetism', wasn't it. I mean,
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He realised he didn't need the magnets himself. It was his authoritarian approach to suggestion that was doing it. But so he was actually pretty good hypnotist. It just it was still an evolving art to what we know today. And I do think that there are a few people who just sort of magic hypnosis incorporate some hypnosis in their their stage magic, or stage hypnotists, who still prolong that vision? But it's beginning to go I think.
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Yeah. I hope so what are the myths that people think mind control? What's the first one they think is right?
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Right? Mind control or it's or it's magic? Or? It's the dark arts? Which of course it is not
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Yeah, that's it. I mean, no specific ones mentioned. But some religions frown upon hypnosis because of its image of being a dark art or being something you know, out of this world or not of this world.
1 3:23
Although I would I would point out actually, it's not really religion is the sect some individual sects within religions. The Catholic Church accepted it back in the 1800s. Oh, really? And that's about as conservative group as you can usually find. I think it's probably it's probably individuals who have founded their own particular small group that have that feeling about it. I mean, obviously, there are some people who, whose practice of hypnosis can be a little bit overbearing, I think it may have there are some people who are particularly susceptible to being drawn in. Really religion in itself it incorporates hypnosis, right. When you're praying, you're concentrating on something.
2 3:23
Yeah, and the long term effects of indoctrination.
1 3:28
Yeah. But the but that's it. It's not. It's not brainwashing but but yes, there are some out there some overlaps with a lot of these things. But when when people are looking at what it actually does, it's not... you can't walk into somebody's office and have them snap their fingers and have you go straight under. You can if you've got a really good pre-talk but it's not the first moment you've spoken to that client. And that's they perpetuate that this is, of course, I've never met this person before in my life. Yes, you have or they've been to somebody else and they're already you know you. So just have you have a little story about having seen somebody and then mentioning something else to them. You want to you want to tell our listeners about that. If you go into the whys, but just explain how it worked.
2 5:15
Yeah, it was a few years ago now when I was entering my hypnosis journey, as it were, I went to see somebody had a late with a therapy session with them. And then I told them about something else. And they just said to me, Well, you already know how to go back into trance do that now and I was straight, straight there. And they did the work they needed to do. And it worked really well, I will say, but then I am. As with anything, if you are a willing participant. If you are, I don't like to use.... I mean, what's the word suggestible? Even that in itself kind of connotations? I think if you're a willing participant, if you have faith in the process, that's the thing.
1 5:57
I like I like the word suggestion. I agree. It does sound pejorative to say that somebody is highly suggestible. But it just means that those people have really good imaginations to enter into the process. What I like about the word suggestion is that you can reject it. It's just a suggestion. I actually wanted that to be the name of my website. But I was persuaded by other people that it wasn't a good idea. I thought, just a suggestion. Because that's all it is, you are giving back to your client what they want already what they've already told you. They want already.
2 6:33
Yeah, and they're absorbing it in such a way from ourselves as a third party. They're absorbing it in such a way as to act upon it or to accept it to I don't know what... How would you describe it?
1 6:48
it does, it becomes part of their just their automatic responses to whatever the trigger is? Yeah. What are the what are the things? What other objections do you get from? They don't really objections because obviously, by the time somebody has made a phone call to you to set up an appointment and come to the appointment, whether it's on Zoom or in person, they were already part of the way into accepting the ideas, but what kinds of things do they report being told by their friends and family when they say that they're going to hypnotist?
2 7:18
One question I've been asked a few times is to do with, will they be in a trance state and reveal their innermost secrets? And like this kind of thing? You know, obviously, no, you won't. No, you won't will reveal anything to me that you don't, want to reveal. Again, I think that's perpetuated by what people see on movies and that kind of thing. If people could be readily hypnotised and spill out all their innermost secrets, the police would have been doing it years ago, surely. If people could be hypnotised against their will and spill out their innermost secrets. Surely, the police would use that as a method of questioning,
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You would think so. Now, of course they do, have the what's now known as the cognitive interview, which is with the cooperation of a witness getting information from people, but they are resisting telling you about this, they don't want to.
2 8:16
I mean that's partly to do with just triggering memories. And it's like when a an eyewitness to a situation comes forward. For example, they may have seen, let's say somebody's been mugged on the street. And you know, they saw it, but they can't remember too much detail. With a careful line of questioning, with a certain type of set and style of questions, they can get more information out of this person without leading them on and suggesting either. It can help them to visualise that situation better and more clearly, they remember more clearly.
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But that's exactly the same thing happens when you go to take an exam, you know, all the material you walk in, you sit down they hit the start, start now and your mind goes blank. Yeah, if you can relax in that situation, all the information which is already in your brain will come out. Now, of course, there is the fact that memory of events, when you take them out and look at them and put them back, there's always a little bit of a change. There's always little tweak. There's a little tweaking every time. So it is hypnosis was used quite quite a lot, very for a brief period of time. And then we realised that there were false, some false memories coming forward, the little tweaks were getting in the way of things. So it's, it's now known as the cognitive interview, and there's a lot of rules and restrictions around it, which is fine. That's not the work that you and I do however. So if if a client comes to me it's usually they're worried that they will. I think actually one of the things that I tell them that they're surprised by I don't know if this qualifies as a myth, but they don't realise that once they've been hypnotised a few times, and I've talked to them, I'll be able to do what you did with that person who said, you know how to get yourself into trance and you can just take yourself to that place. Yeah, you won't have my voice in your head if it's you know, suddenly. But, but you can record your own suggestions and play them back to yourself. There's, there's you know, you just need to learn to relax, because it is a natural phenomenon that you're gonna do it anyway. You just don't necessarily realise it. Or be using it effectively, as effectively as that might be
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Yeah, you need you need to learn how to do it on command as it were - to order.
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Right? Yeah, right. So it really is just getting yourself in the zone. Of course, a lot of us work with people who have performance anxiety of various things like public speaking, doing zoom interviews, going on TV, those things where you need to be able to be calm, otherwise you freeze up.
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It's funny isn't our we all have our sort of reservations on things mine is speaking one-to-one on camera, I just fall apart every time guaranteed. Speaking with you no problem at all. Public speaking...
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We have so much practice. Yeah.
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True. Well, public speaking, standing up on stage in front of 500 Strangers, no issue whatsoever for me. Really, none whatsoever. And I really like helping other people being able to achieve that as well. Well, my one thing is speaking on one-to-one into camera no. Absolutely no. I'm just too self conscious all the time. I think it's because you just looking back at yourself. I think that's what yeah, I
1 11:42
I don't have any trouble talking. Well, obviously now and again, I get nervous about things. But talking one on one is fine, recording my own scripts and trying to record things straight. I find very difficult talking into a void. I have a real, real difficulty with that. I'm not sure there's hypnosis for that. We'll see. Maybe you can hypnotise me. I'll report back some other day.
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You can give me marks out of 10. Right let's get back on topic. Myths. Right. Okay. Mind Control is the main one people are worried about, you know, again, it's from the movies though isn't it? You know,
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Right. The idea that they they won't be able to come out of hypnosis. Yeah, we get stuck.
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Yeah. What was that urban myth that went round a few years ago that somebody was being hypnotised and their hypnotist that they had a heart attack and died or something midway and they were stuck in a trance.
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movie? It was a movies it? Yeah.
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Yeah. I mean, that kind of thing doesn't do anything to help us, does it?
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No, it doesn't. Except, you know, talk about hypnosis, which is maybe nice now, because it does tend to come in waves. It's very fashionable. Currently, I think the only thing that you hear significant, positive comments about hypnosis is with childbirth. People don't say using using child hypnosis in childbirth is I have never heard anybody say anything negative about
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Really? Is that used in place of things like gas and air? Or is it used in addition to?
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It's usually like with with most anaesthetics, it's used and the other is available if you need it. Just to help you be calm about it, be able to visualise that again, natural process, but. But if something goes wrong, you want the anaesthetist around. Oh, yeah, in case they need to do something in a hurry, and we don't have time to spend. There's two people. It's an obstetrics case. At least two people, sometimes there's three or four.
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You know, it's quite a strange one for me that Denise, as, as a male, I can have, you know, I have no idea what childbirth must be like, other than the fact that, you know, it's incredibly painful. But I've no,
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No, no, no, do not perpetuate this myth for many people is, you know, we don't use the word painful because it's a suggestion right? So we say uncomfortable discomfort. Yes, it is an extreme form of discomfort on occasion. But it is also for most people a joyful thing. And a lot of the pain that people feel is the pain they've that they've associated in their minds because of terrible cowboy movies that are Well, somebody's riding around on a bed hanging off the bedpost. Yes, it can be but, but if you can give a woman a sense of comfort to know what's going on to educate people so they know what's happening. It can really be a lot more comfortable.
2 14:56
Yeah, I mean, it's it's raised the question with me, presumably when you're in childbirth, your adrenaline levels going to be through the roof to get you through it, because there's an awful lot of effort and energy involved in it. So your body will, you know, generate the adrenaline to give you the strength to do it and which would also presumably dull the discomfort. But adrenaline relaxation, two opposites sort of thing.
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Yeah. Well, but we also know it's not just relaxation, that hypnosis is yes, relaxation, but it's because you have focused concentration. That is what you need, when the only thing that you really worry about when you're giving birth is the baby. Yeah, frankly, yes. I'd like to be comfortable too. But most women in childbirth are concerned about the health of the baby.
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Right. So getting back to this again, we've gone to childbirth myths, okay, so yeah, the myths, I hear, will I got stuck in hypnosis. No we've dispelled that one, can absolutely make that clear - You will not get stuck in hypnosis.
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No, that's, uh, you're either come out of it anyway, or you'll fall asleep and then come out of that because every time you fall asleep, you've gone through that little brainwave pattern that is hypnosis.
2 16:10
Yeah I mean, that's the way I always describe hypnosis to people because of course it means different things to different people. But when people ask me for my description of it when clients ask for my description of it, I say it's that little point where you're just half awake half asleep, because none of us remember falling asleep that actual moment do we?
1 16:29
No of course not. That's also that were as you're waking on my on my awake yet. Maybe I am. Where am I? What day is it?
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Yeah, yeah. So I never wake up in a good mood do you?
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Usually, not always, but usually, if I was woken by something maybe, maybe not. Especially if you are interrupted in a good dream, that's very annoying.
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Yeah that's, that's one thing. I hate that if something disturbs me if I'm in the middle of a really good dream. He's like, you want to get back into it?
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And you can get yourself to do that. Yeah, yeah, another, another good technique. When you learn hypnosis, you'll be able to do that.
2 17:08
That's another thing that just reminds me a bit of the time with the client, actually, when I'm bringing them back out of trance, and they were like, I didn't want to come back out. I was enjoying that.
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Do you go that's me. I get I, when we were going back and forth, practising learning. So I was being hypnotised several times a day by other people who were learning hypnosis. And and I can I, I do not remember the conversation, which is another myth that we need to talk about. But I hear three, and you're coming back into the room. And I hear in my head saying, No. It's just such a comfortable place. It's a nice place to be. But that does remind me of the other one that is, oh, I wasn't hypnotised. I remember everything. And that is really big, does depend on entirely on the client, and for lack of a better word, their personality, their learning style, but the amount of trust they have to it. And it doesn't matter whether you remember whether you're somebody who does remember everything, or whether you're someone who doesn't remember a thing after this, they start to process it that does not affect the effectiveness of the hypnotic.
2 18:27
Oh absolutely yeah, I mean, this is part of what we were told that the depths of trance is not actually important. It's the amount of concentration.
1 18:35
Well with the exception. I think of things like anaesthesia, if I was being hypnotised, I wouldn't want to be aware of what was going on.
2 18:43
But I had somebody saying to me one time, I can remember everything. I don't feel like I was hypnotised. And I said, Okay, how long do you think that lasted? He said, only about five or 10 minutes. 45 minutes. So you do lose track of time.
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Yes,
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When you're hypnotised, I find. And, you know, as soon as I pointed that out to the client, they realised Oh, yeah, well, they must have been out for quite a big, big part of it.
1 19:13
Yeah, I think there were a few sessions with fellow students where I can remember, I remember I was aware that something had happened you know, sort of come and go they probably were fractionating sorry, you some technical terms, they will probably bringing me up slightly in order to allow me to go into a deeper state, which we call Fractionation. And, and that was probably those are probably the bits I remember. Which I don't really remember now. But yeah. So what other, what others are the big mythical....I think code that the the it's so much of it is from the movies. Give you a code word, and we'll reactivate you 20 years from now we'll say, rosebud, and you'll do or Manchurian Candidate, kind of that sort of thing. You're good. Yeah.
2 20:10
Or it was Dynasty, the reunion when Crystal was great. I must kill Blake that was. Yeah, so let's dispell that myth immediately.
1 20:24
Well, there's two parts of this two parts to that. One is that you could be told to do anything that would be contravene your own moral code, which you wouldn't do. But also, whenever you're going to be hypnotised you need, you need to be cooperating. Absolutely, yeah, even if it's even if it's using an anchor or a trigger that, that we've given a client if you ask them to hold their, their finger and thumb together to, to push them together in order to because it's connected under hypnosis with a particular memory or sensation or emotion, that you've still got to be cooperating to do that first step.
2 21:06
No. So I mean, I always say people have got to have faith in the process for it to work. You know, if they don't, if they don't enter into it wholeheartedly, then you know, there's a chance it won't work. That's, if, for example, somebody comes to me for giving up smoking. And they say to me, you know, their wife sent them they don't really want to do well. It's not gonna it's not gonna work.
1 21:33
Yeah, yeah. I always, my heart sinks a little bit when I get I'm calling about my son. I mean, obviously, if this is a child, I need to speak to the parent first. Yeah, but the client is the child. Or it's more often late adolescents, early college age. But the person who is the person in the chair that you're talking to, is being hypnotised and you need to have them completely on board. It helps if the parents are too and their friends are too. But it's essential that they are and they trust you.
2 22:11
That's so, that's an interesting point you just raised Denise, because of course we are for our listeners benefit. We are on opposite sides of the Atlantic Ocean. Children and hypnosis, if that's okay, in the USA, that's allowed, is it? Yeah.
1 22:24
Yeah. Yeah. Well, first start until you're about eight or nine. You're just walking hypnotised beings. Children are very if they trust you, and you say something to them, they'll believe it. They'll take it on board. Yeah. Because they they they haven't built up that sort of defence critical mind. But yes, it is. Now do I think it's ethical for somebody who hasn't worked with children and been trained to do so? Or have a psychology background? No, I think that with everything we do, you need to be thoroughly trained. Absolutely. So even though you're at now, I can't remember the initial for your cards, the one you got wrong in your business card. Thank you. For those people on this side of the Atlantic, would you like to say what that is?
2 23:19
Complementary and Natural Health Care Council
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Right now, which is the one that the the physicians would be looking at in
2 23:31
CNHC your on that register means you meet certain standards. And also, you are held to account on everything you do. They check up on everything in terms of obtaining professional development and one thing or another.
1 23:47
But the standard physicians who were in the general practice in the UK would look at that list to make sure somebody was on was adequately trained. And that yes, that's the list they would look at.
2 23:59
Yeah, yeah. CNHC register?
1 24:01
Yeah. Do they not refer children to hypnotists or do they send them to a psychologist?
2 24:07
I think I've never had one referred to me by a GP. What what their procedure is? I'm not sure. Excuse me, I've I have an enhanced DBS clearance to work with children and vulnerable adults. So I come work with children of any age, although I don't I don't work with anybody under 16.
1 24:27
No acronyms, please.
2 24:32
I don't know what DBS even stands for actually.
1 24:38
I'll put it in the show notes.
2 24:40
It means I've had the police clearance to work with children and vulnerable adults. They go into all the background and make sure you've got no criminal record. Make sure the police aren't holding any other information on the you know, like you're part of some mafia family or something like that. They're the kind of records that they hold. So you get an enhanced clearance to work with children and vulnerable adults, it means I can go into schools and do talks with children that kind of thing.
1 25:05
That just means that you are a safe. Yeah, non abusive person. It doesn't mean you've been trained to look after children. Correct. It just means you're, you're permitted to be within. Yeah. Okay. So with the with the school that you've trained with, do they offer training for children? Or
2 25:21
Yeah, one of the extra CPDs you can do in due course, is specifically about working with children. As I say, quite, as you pointed out, quite rightly, I haven't had specific training for working with children, just the general training. So for that reason, and for other reasons, I don't see anybody under 16 years of age anyway, that's out of my choice. I agree with you. I think people should have specific training for young children. You know, for example, I, for me, I wouldn't like the thought of hypnotising say an eight year old in them having some kind of abreaction or something or you know, I'm not used to handling children. You know, it is very specific working with children, you know, about that as a paediatrician.
1 26:07
Right. So that, you've just used a word that I'm not sure this really follows from from the myth, but perhaps it does, because there have been large groups of people who've been at shows, particularly for some reason universities and colleges bring in hypnotists to do their work during Freshers Week. Yes, it's all that's all have a laugh at somebody who thinks they're sneaker is a telephone. Which, yeah, fine, you're laughing, it's okay. But it's just another way of disrespecting something very serious. But you can have a problem with that because you you're one person on a stage might be 5000 people in the room, or you know, a couple of hundred. But far more than you can physically put your hand on to watch that person. Anybody who said hypnotising somebody is watching them. Not that anything actually bad is happening to them. But if they have a strong emotional response, under hypnosis, that's usually when when you say an abreaction, that's, that's what it is, somebody may suddenly burst into tears, or, or suddenly get up and start pacing around the room. That the if you if you get one person doing that in a large crowd, it's probably okay. But the person next to them may start doing it, too. And so you've got a form of hypnosis, not caused by the hypnotist but a form of hypnosis with hysterical reaction. Yeah. And, and there's another word that's highly pejorative, it's it's an actual thing that people aren't, you know, it's unfortunately named after the uterus. And it's got nothing to do with the uterus. But but it is, it's an unpleasant experience for the person going through it. And if you're on one to one with somebody, and that happens to them, you can you can bring them out of it, you can do other things to help them calm down. But if you've got a roomful of people, you can't and that's unfortunate, those are the things that get reported in the paper or TV shows if they're filming it. And it gives the impression that it's dangerous. And it's an it's unpleasant. So it's certainly not pleasant for somebody to have a reaction. Depending on the what, what memory is being triggered when they burst into tears, and sometimes it's joy, actually. Yeah, I mean, a lot of people crying while they're talking to me, but they're not unhappy that just sometimes happiness comes out in tears.
2 28:42
Absolutely. Because it does, I mean, that's something as well, if we talk about Yeah, because we're talking about mental health people have reactions, a bad reaction, or an emotional reaction was under hypnosis. I think, again, a lot of those are associated with the woowoo kind of hypnosis where people are taken back to imagine, that well, you know, I don't know, Anne of Cleves in a previous life or something or whatever. You know, people,
1 29:11
I don't I don't do I certainly don't advertise past-life regression. But then again, somebody may have most of us think that it's a form of analogy. So people might process something historical, and incorporate it into their memories. And this is the problem with memory. It's a weird thing. It does its own thing most of the time. And so that might come out in a session when you're talking to somebody. I don't do a lot of hypnosis that requires the client to speak to me during hypnosis, but if they start to talk to me, but I certainly would not. You know, if somebody were to come to me and say, I'm just wondering if I was Anne of Cleves in a previous life and that's often when people are saying, That can't be true. One, I don't believe in reincarnation, but that's me. But nobody ever remembers, you know, being a caveman, or it's always a very specific thing. It's usually a historical figure. It's something they must have read about, you know, it's not, it's nothing obscure ever.
2 29:11
No, no, that's it, it's something or someone that they have come across at some point in time, it's in their memory from somewhere.
1 30:31
Right? And that may be valuable to them to help them process something. But in and of itself, even if you are being recycled. You this this is the life you're living now. And we're helping you live this life.
2 30:49
Yeah. So Myths, like more myths, let me think now?
1 30:53
Well it's a new myth I guess. You can't be hypnotised over the internet. I get quite a lot of people saying, Oh, you do? Online. It can be done online. Yes, it can.
2 31:02
It can work better online. Yeah, I think if clients are wearing headphones, particularly. Because while they already cut down their sensory input by closing their eyes, and then you've actually got more concentration from them wearing headphones, because there's no other distraction going into the ears, that's what I find. Yeah, definitely does. I will put that down as it definite myth - you CAN definitely be hypnotised over the internet. Right? Let's summarise the myths. First of all Denise before we call it a day.
1 31:35
One, you will be hypnotised by somebody against your will. No, no. You can get stuck in hypnosis and you can't get out because your hypnotist had a heart attack, just like I think it was Brendan Fraser movie. So that doesn't happen. Somebody will one day whisper a code word to you that you were given by an evil hypnotist. And you'll go off and do something terrible. No, no. What else? Oh, yes, you have to you have to? You have to not be able to remember you can't remember anything that said to you. This is also not true. Now, most people do remember everything? Yeah, not everyone, but most people do.
2 31:35
But of course is not what you remember that does the work. It's what you consciously remember that does the work. It's what's going on in your subconscious brain. Right?
1 32:32
Your subconscious picks up everything. Yeah. And decides whether or not it's keeping it.
2 32:40
All right. And so that's, that's that's the that's what it can't do let's just before we call it a day for today, let's just talk about what he can do very, very briefly.
1 32:48
It can help you to relax and help you get to sleep easier, because it will calm those crazy little things that are going buzzing around in your head. It will, it can help with discomfort or chronic pain. It can help with immunological responses. It's used effectively for autoimmune diseases. It can help with, for example, it's used, it's the primary suggested suggestion is the primary thing that's offered in the UK to a patient who has irritable bowel syndrome. Because it is so effective. It doesn't mean they have to have it if they don't want it. But it's it's something is offered to them. That's in the NICE guidelines. That's the first thing. The nice Guidelines for Americans is the standard of care that's the government has just laid up for everybody who's been treated under the National Health System.
2 33:50
Our NICE guidelines, I think, in the UK is they recommend it as a first thing for IBSno, but they won't pay for it. Oh, they won't no! They just won't pay for hypnotherapy. Although they recommend it. You can go on to the NHS website and look at various treatments and they talk about hypnotherapy for various things, including IBS but, they won't fund it,
1 34:12
Even if a physician is performing it. Because that's the issue here you can you can go to somebody who is not a psychologist or a physician and be hypnotised for anything no matter what it is that the insurance company is not going to pick it up. But that may change.
2 34:31
Now as far as I'm aware in the UK, the NHS still won't fund it. Some private health insurers will now fund it with various to varying degrees whether they'llfund one or two sessions or something like that. There's various health insurance companies over here. From the small funds that pay for occasional treatments to the ones that cover you for you know absolutely every ailment you ever have.
1 34:57
Because you have to pay a fortune to be insured by them.
2 35:02
So going back to the question was what can it, you know, what can hypnotherapy work for? I tend to summarise it by saying anything that's stress related, it helps with things, including the physical things because stress causes inflammation it's one of those things, isn't it? It can casue inflammation. So you know, you're the doctor, things that are causing inflammation?
1 35:29
Stress isn't always negative. I mean, I'll know when this isn't necessarily a good idea, but it's not necessarily caused by a horrible thing. Getting married or moving house, can be incredibly stressful.
2 35:43
Oh absolutely, and we need a certain amount of stress, to motivate us don't we. Yeah, yeah, to get us going in the morning, we need a certain amount of stress is when we have to....
1 35:52
First law of kinetics.
2 35:55
It's when we have too much stress, or we can't cope with stress. I mean, some people cope better with stress, and others don't they?
1 36:02
Of course, but it bothers me a little bit that people feel like they have to cope, without help. If you're feeling particularly stressed, you know, you should be able to go and talk to somebody about it doesn't necessarily mean a hypnotist. But if a friend, and a lot of those conversations will have some aspects of hypnosis attached to because you're, it's allowing you to take your mind off of those things. We're having a conversation or concentrating on that conversation.
2 36:37
Yeah, and the whole point of the conversation is that you want to feel better. So you talk to somebody with the preconceived idea that I'm going to feel better at the end of this conversation, I will be feeling better than I do now, by the end of this conversation. So you know, it's a positive conversation.
1 36:55
By those standards, having a cup of tea. Yes, the first thing in English says you're having a happy, happy thing happening, have a cup of tea, bad thing happening, have a cup of tea, walk in the house, have a cup of tea. But there's there is just it gives you a moment, it's part of the ritual. You know, there's all of those things help us to centre ourselves to be a little more grounded, and and therefore cope with the stresses of life. And some of the stresses are pretty boring and mundane, but they still add up.
2 37:27
Oh, absolutely. Yeah, it's funny you're talking about rituals, though, because that that is something isn't it? That's almost hypnotic, in effect, when you look at the ritual of, let's say, the Japanese tea ceremony, as well, as a beautiful one. Yeah, absolutely. Talk about peace and calm and tranquillity and taking yourself away from the stresses of the day.
1 37:51
Yeah, I'm picturing that in my mind right now. It's lovely.
2 37:55
What a lovely note to finish on for today.
1 37:57
Yes. Let's all go have a cup of tea shall we?
2 38:01
Yeah, we'll leave our listeners with that lovely thought.
1 38:05
Thank you, Martin.
2 38:07
We'll catch you on the next one. Okay Bye Bye.
1 38:09
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