Denise Billen-Mejia 0:07
Welcome to Two hypnotherapists talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia in Delaware, USA.
Martin Furber 0:13
And me Martin Furber in Preston UK.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:16
This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about fascinating subject of hypnosis and the benefits it offers.
Martin Furber 0:24
I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and psychotherapist,
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:27
I'm a retired medical doctor and consulting hypnotist.
Martin Furber 0:31
We are two hypnotherapists talking.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:34
So let's get on with the episode.
Martin Furber 0:35
So, Denise, here we are again - happy as can be!
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:38
Here we are, it's actually a little bit earlier than our usual meeting, these dark days are so difficult.
Martin Furber 0:47
We're both bright eyed and bushy tailed.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:50
Yes, got a few things out of the way already this morning. So what are we going to talk about this time? Well, we had mentioned training.
Martin Furber 0:57
Yeah, but it was something you raised, a question, what does it take to be a Hypnotherapist?
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:04
Yes. I think that's a good place to start. Now, of course, a lot of our listeners are already hypnotherapists but in case anybody isn't, I think that'll be useful. It's also interesting, I think to know what aspects of hypnotherapy are highlighted in the various training programmes. So first thing I think we need to say is a weekend course certificate or a certificate for two hours off of Udemy is not hypnotherapy. It's a great start. It's a nice little appetiser for you to have an understanding who wants to plonk down $4,000 In case you're interested, you want to have some experience with it. Most people I think probably have been hypnotised themselves, have been to a hypnotist and realised Oh, this is something interesting. I want to look at it further. They might be ready
Martin Furber 1:57
And then they want to help others do the same. A quotation of our mutual friend, I can name her, Sheila. She always, well, she frequently comes out with the expression. Nobody leaves school saying I want to be a hypnotherapist and a lot of our colleagues for them hypnotherapy is a second career.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:22
For the vast majority unless they come from a hypnosis family. It doesn't, it's not on the radar.
Martin Furber 2:30
Yeah, that's it, it's something people have come across at some point and thought oh, I'm interested in that. And then they've explored and then they've learned and then on they've gone.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:40
Do you think that the other adjacent, the careers like counselling and psychotherapist, well maybe psychotherapist is but are those things on the radar when people are in college, in school? And do careers counsellors talk about that is it is it. Like when I was in school back in the dark ages? It was nurse, secretary, mother that was typist, typing was about the only pre-vocational.
Martin Furber 3:11
Oh, well, I mean, you're in a whole different thing there, that because even when I was at school, you know, the girls went off the typing class in the hope that she'd make somebody a pretty little Secretary one day,
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:22
There you go yeah, life has changed.
Martin Furber 3:24
Not that she could learn this skill because one day she might be the CEO of a company, you know...
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:28
Well, she'd have somebody type for her then.
Martin Furber 3:30
Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:32
But do you think that career counselling has evolved past that? And now they actually look at more rounded things? Or is it general?
Martin Furber 3:40
I Certainly hope so. But I mean, a lot of people in the wellness and wellbeing industry do seem to have gone into that later in life. Probably because their lived experience is a good asset to have.
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:52
Yes,
Martin Furber 3:53
in the well-being industry in the well-being profession.
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:56
So what is a? What sort of background is a good fit for hypnosis? Because that, that I Yes. Okay. I'm retired doctor, that seems like a sort of a natural progression. And I know a lot of places, for example, Israel, I know only allows physicians and licenced psychotherapists to use hypnosis.
Martin Furber 4:24
Really?
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:25
Yeah. It surprised me too. But what do you think about, of the hypnotist because now both of us know, a huge number of hypnotist, or the spectrum, which are the ones that you think, Oh, I can see how they got from there to there.
Martin Furber 4:44
Well, the ones that have done anything in the line of any kind of talking therapy, as you can see the natural progression sort of thing. The natural link to want to do it. Ie somebody who's worked in counselling somebody who's worked as you know, a pure psychotherapist, doing any other kind of talking therapy, some therapists that have specialised in something like EMDR, for example. But here's the funny thing when I, when I went to Hypno college to do my thing after the first day, I came back home. My partner said to me, how was it? He said, Was it like, really competitive? Because I was nervous. I haven't been in class for like 30 years. And I was a little bit nervous going there. I didn't know what to expect, I was expecting this competitive classroom atmosphere. And he said to me, how was it? Was it as you expected? I said no, everybody was really lovely. I said, because everybody wants to be a therapist, I said it was a really lovely atmosphere, and it was, all the way through. It was an encouraging and supportive atmosphere, not a competitive one. You know, so I think that's a good indicator of what it takes to be a good Hypnotherapist.
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:55
Yeah, well, you definitely need to like people.
Martin Furber 5:57
Yeah, I think you need to understand them. And I do think your background is perhaps less relevant in terms of Career to your lived experience as a person. For example, you could have had somebody who was a stay at home parent and hadn't had a job before. But they had a lifetime of experience of bringing up X number of children, and dealing with everything people have to deal with as a parent. And I've said this before to you in a private conversation, the thoughts of being a parent and having to go to a parents evening to hear about their child would fill me with horror. Now, you must have done that you've know you've got children,
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:36
It fills most people with..oh is it that time of year again?
Martin Furber 6:43
The thought of doing that though would absolutely horrify me, absolutely horrify me. So I don't think it's down to necessarily qualifications. Although obviously, you know, a reasonable standard of education is essential. But even somebody who's done perhaps manual work before, helping people, a bus driver, why not? You know, they've dealt with the public all day long. They're used to dealing with stressful situations. And very probably, they're used to helping people on and off the bus as necessary, or whatever else is involved in that job, plus a lot of patience and dealing with stress driving all day long. How stressful is that?
Denise Billen-Mejia 7:25
So how would you... if I were a bus driver, which is highly unlikely, since I don't drive. But if I were a bus driver, and I said, Oh, you're a hypnotist, that's interesting. Where would you? Where would you suggest if I were in the UK? Of course, I'm not. But if I were in the UK, where would you suggest I look first, to learn more about it.
Martin Furber 7:48
To learn more about it, I would say, have a look, first of all, look at YouTube at various channels that are run by practising hypnotherapists emphasis on the word therapist in the UK, rather than hypnotist, where no disrespect to our stage show cousins, that's not what I'm talking about, though. Have a look at the channels operated by various hypnotherapists. And listen to what they do, see what they do, see how they talk about their job, and try and get a flavour for it. And then in terms of actually learning it, that's when you really need to do your homework, there are that many different places you can train with. There are that many different courses. There are some people who claim they can train you to be, you know,a quialified hypnotherapist in five days. No, I don't wish to be disrespectful to any of those companies. But you know, there's a lot more involved in that too.
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:51
Well, the thing is, there's a practice the actual learning of an induction and the basics and some history and some ethics. I mean, there's there's several hours of hypnosis adjacent information that you need to know, obviously. But so if you, you can learn to hypnotise, to do one thing or two things that you could do to help somebody if they were willing to enter that journey with you, you would be able to do that. But would that make you a hypnotherapist or in my case, a consulting hypnotist. Would that ...How many hours of time do you need with supervisory help to learn the techniques that you need in order to really advertise yourself to the public as somebody who can help with this thing?
Martin Furber 9:46
Okay, well, mine was over 10 months. It was a weekend a month for 10 months with all the work in between as well and there was an awful lot of work involved. My qualification comes out, mine is a recognised qualification at level four, so that's a diploma level.
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:04
I mean, it's so what is the recognise? What's the threshold for being on the NHS register?
Martin Furber 10:10
Well on the CNHC Register, you've got have level 4.
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:14
Right? So you can't do a weekend course and not and be recognised by your local GP as being a therapist.
Martin Furber 10:21
No, For example, I'm on the CNHC register. And the minimum standard to get on there is to have the diploma like with the AfSFH, or the NCH, one that automatically qualifies you, but they're level four diplomas. They're recognised level four diplomas to get onto that register you need that.
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:43
So do you feel that that is the level at which people should be working? We don't have a similar system here. We do have some systems in place, but there's nothing that's federal. But that's if somebody was asking you, How can I be a Hypnotherapist? You'd advise them to look at the various programmes that reached that level?
Martin Furber 11:02
Yeah, I would, I would, I would advise them to look at the different outfits that operate and offer something that is the recognised level four qualification. Because there are different ones. I mean, I trained with cpht, I'm more than happy to recommend them. And I am very, very happy that I did make that choice, because since then, I've looked at other courses that are available. And I still think the one I did stands head and shoulders above the rest. And I'm very, very happy that it took that one. And NO! I'm not on commission. But yeah, I know, I'm really happy with the one I took because I felt it gave me the thorough grounding that I needed. And it gave me the confidence from day one to go out there. And practice everything with absolute confidence in the full knowledge that it was fully equipped to deal with it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:54
Right? When I was looking for, truthfully, I was looking for price to some degree because there are some extremely expensive courses out there. And some that just the price alone makes you think, is that real $300 to be qualified as a hypnotist, I know, that sounds a bit odd. But I looked at the length of time people have been in the various schools have been in business and where their qualifications were recognised, because there are a few there, there are several organisations but the probably the most well known in the UK and the world is the national guild of hypnotists. That's part of the recognition is those are all words people understand. Yeah. So I'd say I'm at New York University, people don't really know what New York University is. That's a specified that, but they know New York. So it makes it makes sense. So I chose that, ultimately, to be my main certifying agency, their requirements are 100 hours of didactics plus clinical practice. And that's their minimum, with the exception of people who are coming in as doctors or psychologists who are adding that to their clinical practice. But how did how did you get your initial guinea pigs when you were learning? Did you learn with other students? Or were you...
Martin Furber 13:24
No, we had to have public recruiting members of the public at real down to basic stuff, you know, cards in the post office window, that kind of thing for volunteers, because you do it free of charge, obviously, when you're training,. And yes, sessions are supervised, you had to do full case studies on each one.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:44
How was your supervision? Were they actually physically watching you? Or did you record it? Or how did you..
Martin Furber 13:50
It was recorded. And things were via zoom. And also these days, of course, everything's back to face to face in the classroom now. So I would imagine that's how it's done these days.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:59
Oh, so they actually bring people in to the school.
Martin Furber 14:03
Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:04
Okay. I was just a student because my school is in California. So we went up when we went there for the graduation, we also had a lot of on hands, but we had a lot of zoom sessions. And we had to, obviously, the record keeping for each client was supervision. And then there was back and forth conversations about how to do what. But they have students all over the world, and it's not very practical.
Martin Furber 14:36
I mean, we were fortunate our supervisors were on call, I wouldn't say, 24/7, but you could certainly get hold of them within an hour on a working day. Because that was the other thing. Our supervisors and tutors are all practising hypnotherapists as well. So yeah, you couldn't instantly get hold of them all the time. Obviously, they may have a client of their own but they they always get back to me within the hour or so. Which was great if you needed to ask anything. Or, just going back to what you were saying about the other kinds of things people do that can go with being a Hypnotherapist. I can remember in my class, there were, one person was already, she described yourself as an integrative therapist, and she did psychotherapy. And she did some other things as well. And there was somebody else there that was a fully qualified counsellor, I think there were also about level four in counselling, and others that were in a psychotherapy background. And I expected them to sort of, say, our course was a doddleor whatever, or they'd already covered a lot of it, they were equally sort of pleased with what they were learning on the course, and valued it, and said it. You know, it really complemented what they were already doing it added to it. Because we did a lot of neuroscience, a lot of the history of hypnotherapy of hypnosis, a lot of the workings on the brain, all the stuff we get in terms of having to do all these different studies and learn them and be tested on them. You know, the, the actual learning of, and the ability to hypnotise somebody is a very small part of it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 16:24
Yeah. We know, it's easy, because each of us and most hypnotists I know, who are ethical, we teach our clients to do this for themselves. It's not a difficult thing to do. But you have to, there's also the therapy part of it. I mean, I tend not to call it that, because in the US, in some states, that can be a problem. But there's still there's, there's the therapeutic aspect of the reason the person is in the chair, they're not there to have a nap, they're there to fix some problem. So you have to be able to address the issue that they have. And there's 9 million different issues, well as there's several billion people on the planet. So for each of them, they can have an idiosyncratic issue. And you have to be able to think on your feet, and you have to be able to know where to go with them. Yeah, absolutely. Before we started recording, you mentioned ab-reactions. Everybody who's a qualified hypnotist knows what an ab-reaction is, but would you like to define it for the general public who might be listening?
Martin Furber 17:28
Yeah, yeah. An ab-reaction is when somebody is in hypnosis, and they have an unexpected emotional outpouring, outburst, or some other kind of unexpected reaction to the hypnotherapy.
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:44
For, for the most part, what you see is either suddenly bursting into tears, and they don't have to be unhappy, it can, it could still be a little surprising when it happens. And they're not usually worried about it. What can be a little alarming if they get...If they'll get up and start walking around the room. Or, or they have a physical reaction to their session. And what's happening is, is that it's triggering some memory somewhere deep in them and, and they're responding to that. And some people respond physically to things and so they need to discharge that energy. The one that surprised me the most fairly early on and while I was still in training was a person who's very kindly offered to be my my subject, and they had a real issue that we were talking about. And he suddenly went Oh, out of the blue. And I asked him afterwards, you know, are you ok? Oh, yeah, it was it was just you know, I just felt it. Again, we've talked about this on 'Myths' But most people remember their session. They are not asleep. Not everybody. But most people remember things like that. He stayed in, in a hypnotic state. Yeah, some places don't like you to call it trance. I'm trying to train my tongue to say something different instead of that word. It's part of the rebranding of hypnosis, constantly being rebranded to try and get more people to buy into the idea that psychosomatic is exactly what we say when we say mind-body connection.
Martin Furber 19:29
Yeah, of course, we mentioned that in another conversation didn't we, about the word psychosomatic. People associate it with what? With hypochondria?
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:39
Yes, yes or oh, it's just in your mind. (Whisper) Everything's in your mind.
Martin Furber 19:44
Your mind is connected to everything.
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:45
So those are the things that a weekend course isn't going to address and if you're going to hold yourself out to the public Yeah, I like to say I think it's great. It's also there. There are Little, little training courses that people do once you're a hypnotist, you may want to tell somebody, I've got this new technique I use, or there's this issue that seems to be coming up more often, this is what I do with it. It's CPD, you go to these, you go to courses, these are just very short courses, because you already know what you're doing.
Martin Furber 20:22
Well, that's it, we have to do continued professional development, you know, as part of our ongoing professional development, you learn new techniques all the time. Maybe you learn, you know that there are options out there to choose from, it may be that you specifically learn some techniques which are more appropriate during pregnancy, you can you can do a full weekend course just learning that one specific discipline.
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:49
Now, actually, the Hypno birthing is quite a few months of they're very strict. That is a particular course, that was trademarked by Mongan. And, and it's been around for a long time. So one of the most common encounters with hypnosis, I think women have would be if they're offered hypnosis as part of their pregnancy. And they're very strict and they definitely have supervision. I don't know, I think you can just train in that I think you can get you can learn and be certified as that without already being a certified hypnotist.
Martin Furber 21:27
All right. Okay. As I say, I only know what's available as CPD we've got to do so many hours a year, you know, to carry on to, well to stay on top of the game basically to stay a top class therapist.
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:39
Yes, to maintain, maintain your certification. Yeah.
Martin Furber 21:42
So just just moving on from what we were saying a few moments ago about the kind of people that make hypnotherapists so you know, the background and this, that and the other. What about professions where they can add hypnotherapy to it? You are a former doctor well, you still a doctor, but you're retired. But I was thinking to myself, What about where could hypnosis be added to the tool belt of other medics ie doctors, paramedics, dentists?
Denise Billen-Mejia 22:09
I think I Yes, dentists actually, it's not uncommon for dentists to be made aware of it in school. Not that much, I've never gone to a dentist and been offered hypnosis, as part of it about several dentists. I've spoken to, have been 'Oh, yes, well, why didn't you ask?' I think some of those things, it is a little bit more difficult because you're you've got to obviously concentrate on the actual dentistry. To do that and and have a client in hypnosis at the same time might be rather more difficult. Although I do know some dentists who do this.
Martin Furber 22:44
How about equipping the dental nurses with the knowledge?
Denise Billen-Mejia 22:47
Exactly, I think that would be an excellent idea. I mean, it would probably be good for the dentist to learn anyway. But but it is time consuming as we've just discussed, not quite as long, because some of it you can fast forward through because a lot of it is is the same, you know that we all have the same duty of care. And we all have the same do no harm, and those those things are already baked in. But I would think something like a paramedic here. Yeah. And advanced EMT. So for those who don't know that term, we're talking about people who, man ambulances and get very ill people to a hospital that maybe are a while away, I think it would be really useful. And in an emergency situation, that the staff of an emergency room, it would be nice for them to be trained, at least in a few of the techniques.
Martin Furber 23:39
But what about, Okay, what about this one? What about fire people, firemen and women? What about when somebody is in a car wreck, and they've got to be cut free from it, they're going to be in the state of the utmost panic.
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:54
I think that's a great idea. But I don't know how many of them would be interested. I don't think it should be made a requirement, but I think people should be encouraged to think outside the box.
Martin Furber 24:04
Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:05
Now they may not want to take, to be actually certified hypnotherapists and do the entire training. But it would be really good to have those short courses for those people so long as they weren't holding themselves out as hypnotherapists because they took a course they'd likely get a lot of practice in helping people.
Martin Furber 24:26
It's like equipping those people with some techniques in Mental Health First Aid, for example. A lot of people are doing what's a level two course in the UK Mental Health First Aid. People you know, from all different kinds of industries and professions.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:44
I'm, I left England years and years decades ago, so I'm not sure where level two is.
Martin Furber 24:51
It's equivalent to an O-level.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:52
Okay. All right. Well, that would be nice. Actually, I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to have not having an O-level in hypnosis. But at that level of normal school, when you're at 14-15, would be the ideal time to introduce the subject to students. It's a great technique for when you want to study properly? Don't people want to be hypnotised when you're studying and you want your conscious brain to be aware of what's going on with the techniques to help you relax, to help you call during exams. All of these things are very, very useful, it would be a wonderful place to be able to offer help. And to teach kids about these things when they're going through this, those exams. A lot, all hypnosis is self hypnosis. And we could bypass the middleman maybe some of the time.
Martin Furber 25:45
I've always found it confusing why... I'm just going to slightly off subject here, but why those exams are always at those awkward years. Puberty/adolescence, why throw exams into the mix? When you've got everything else going on?
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:58
Right? Why throw a huge, hugely important part of what will shape your future. It's huge. But you can recover, you can pivot and you can find what you should have been doing all along later in life.
Martin Furber 26:15
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:16
Now this brand of... So yes, I think it will be really useful, particularly in the emergency room. Particularly in the labour and delivery room. So I think it really should pose, form part of the training for doctors, dentists, nurses.
Martin Furber 26:36
These people...Let's just go back to paramedics as second.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:39
How about, before we go to paramedics again. How about police officers?
Martin Furber 26:44
Absolutely, absolutely. Especially these days, because you see so many documentaries on television where the police are themselves saying they're more like First Aiders. They're more like social workers. You know, in community policing, especially, especially with the mental health crisis we've got in this country at the moment, the police are finding themselves, they say it, they're doing more and more work that really should be the job of other people, other departments even. But I'm thinking to myself, again, just going back to the paramedics for a second, they're trained in, very skillfully trained in dealing with people where trauma is concerned, for example, to calm them down to talk them down, if, as well as that talking therapy, that we're given the additional thing of hypnosis, how to hypnotise somebody to really distract them from the situation they're in. IE, you know, they've got a foot stuck between two pieces of concrete, whatever, I'm just trying to think of emergency situations off the top of my head.
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:46
I think it probably makes a few people not the hypnotists listening, but the other people might think, but that's such a high tension situation for someone, why would they want to really, you know, relax, you can't tell somebody to relax. But actually, it's probably the easier time to use hypnosis because they've got so much coming out their brain, that their conscious mind wants to check out. And that's, that's what it is. That's when the hypnosis would happen, I think it would actually be this is why I really, really wish I had had the opportunity to learn it before when I was working in the emergency room. All of these things, they've got so much that's happening, they they're overwhelmed. And that overwhelm can be used to help them in the situation. Instead of just making them feel more traumatised than they are by the actual injury. Yeah,
Martin Furber 28:43
I mean, again, you were in the emergency room for our listeners and viewers who don't know, you were a paediatrician, so you specialised in children. You must have seen some children in terribly traumatised states, you know, coming in with a burn or been in some kind of accident or something else.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:01
I mean, kids, most people, most people are frightened of emergency rooms, even quite grown up people, because they're not in their natural comfort zone. By definition. I, It's one of the things that you tend to forget as a medical professional, that, you know, this is where I live about 50% of my day of all the days of the year is spent in this environment. So for me walking into the emergency room is not terrifying. Guests, people visiting patients are often terrified of the emergeny room. Yeah, they don't know what's gonna happen next. And and it's hard to remember as a professional, that this is not somewhere that most people hang out.
Martin Furber 29:44
Yeah that's it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:45
This is this is what I do all the time. So you have to remind yourself I think, I can see a lot of situations where hypnotic techniques, not hypnotising somebody but the way that we use language and helping to calm people don't, just walking them through a breathing exercise just allowing them to... When somebody has been told that a loved one is, has been hurt in an accident, or he's having a heart attack or any of the multitude of things that that we have to tell them. Some people have a really hard time it is very traumatising. And I think that it would be a technique that I don't think that would you like to be hypnotised? But just the way that we talk the way that we're trained to match the other person to help bring their breathing down to all of us. Yeah, just to bring that level of anxiety down without a formal hypnosis, but but to learn those techniques in formal training, so that you use them appropriately.
Martin Furber 30:55
Yeah, absolutely.
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:56
I think that would be, I really do think that ambulance and medical people, at the very least, and certainly dentists. And, you know, if the dentist is busy doing a root canal, then maybe his technician, the person who's handing him the instruments could keep up the patter. And yeah, and help them that way, too. I do know quite a few dentists who have used hypnotists off site, and will have patients come in with audios that they can listen to. And so they can use their audios to take themselves into hypnotic state and go through the procedure. While they're listening to that. It's very similar, a lot of dentists use white noise. A lot of dentists will have videos for kids, particularly so that kids can become completely immersed in that video, ignore what the dentist is up to... another form of hypnosis,
Martin Furber 31:52
A form of hypnosis, a form of destraction perfect. And you say it quite often don't you? As children, that they're hypnotised little beings wandering around all the time?
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:02
Yeah, especially the little ones. Yeah.
Martin Furber 32:05
So where do you see things going in terms of training professionals? Because I know, obviously, you are a doctor. How would you put that to other doctors? Because I think, you know, other doctors would benefit.
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:21
Yeah, well, obviously, I talk to all, I don't necessarily talk, I communicate with by fax and email.
Martin Furber 32:29
You're sounding more British as this recording goes on Denise!
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:34
When I get agitated or enthused about something, I tend to, I do get, I do get in touch with everyone, anybody comes to me as a one-to-one client. I need to know that their medical history too, I think it's appropriate. But it's also a way for me to tell doctors, there's hypnosis too think about this. And I am going to have a virtual summit next year. Because I want to start having this information available more in my local area, obviously, it would, it's on the internet, it'll be everywhere. But I want them to have that opportunity to realise at their leisure, that it's, it's something that they should think about. You got to be careful saying should to people, but it's a bit like a lot of people Why do you have to study the heart when you're going to be a foot doctor? Well, 'cos it's connected, right? Yeah, it's all should just, it should just be part of general education for people in the medical field. So I'm going to start with offering this only to physicians. And then probably those physicians who are interested if they want me to do a version of that for their, for their ancillary staff, I'll be doing that too. But on a global scale, I think we need as hypnotists to scream and shout and tell people pay attention to this. This is something that could be so useful. And it's been around for 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of years. It's it's not new, the science, the evidence is gradually building, but nobody invented hypnosis. We just occasionally changed the name of the text.
Martin Furber 34:16
Yeah, yeah. Before we wrap up today, though, something we've never mentioned on here in these conversations, Denise, and you do that other podcast, myth, magic, medicine which is aimed primarily at doctors, physicians. But, for other hypnotists, who are listening to this and members of the public who might want to have more of an insight into what doctors talk about. We've never mentioned that.
Denise Billen-Mejia 34:42
That's very kind of you. That one is all over the planet because whoever my guest is it's myth, magic, medicine two doctors talking. It is me talking to somebody else and it will be what about whatever that doctor wants to talk about. So I've had people talk about up the use of intuition. With a place of intuition in medicine, I've had people talking about the need for change and licencing. Required, not requirements licencing questions for people with mental health issues, doctors who have illnesses, which are controlled, who are perfectly capable of practising medicine, have to obfuscate their history, and a number of in some states, and so there's, it's all over the place, but it's interesting, so please, listen. In fact, if you don't mind, we'll add a link in the show.
Martin Furber 35:40
I will! I'm gonna put a link in at the end come of this video for it actually, because I just suddenly thought, we've never mentioned it. People, you know I'm sure they'll find it interesting.
Denise Billen-Mejia 35:49
Yes. And although I'm beginning to think, you know, what do you do for a living? Apparently, I'm a podcaster
Martin Furber 35:58
Never too late to start a new career which brings us right back to the beginning of this conversation. Right, we're gonna leave it there for today Denise. What we're going to talk about on the next one, oh, we've got one of our guests on the next one. I can't remember who she is...
Denise Billen-Mejia 36:17
We've got two guests
Martin Furber 36:18
Yes, we've got two guests coming up yet. We've got lots of guests over the next few weeks on this. So join us again soon. Thank you for listening. Thank you for watching.
Denise Billen-Mejia 36:26
Thank you. Bye bye.
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Martin Furber 36:51
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