Denise Billen-Mejia 0:07
Welcome to Two hypnotherapists talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia in Delaware, USA.
Martin Furber 0:13
And me Martin Furber in Preston UK.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:16
This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about fascinating subject of hypnosis and the benefits it offers.
Martin Furber 0:24
I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and psychotherapist,
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:27
I'm a retired medical doctor turned consulting hypnotist.
Martin Furber 0:31
We are two hypnotherapists talking.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:34
So let's get on with the episode.
Martin Furber 0:39
Hi, and welcome to Two Hypnotherapists Talking this week, Denise and I have a very special guest from Essex. And that is a Nova Lewis.
Nova Lewis 0:48
Hello, to both of you. It's lovely to see you both.
Martin Furber 0:59
Hi, it's great to have you on here. I know we haven't spoken before have we? So I shall let you and Denise chat away for a little bit. And then I'll interrupt at a suitable moment.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:10
Well Nova and I met when when Sheila first ran connections. And so we've known each other a couple of years now, which is great, and I have loved to hear about her journey to moving your practice, originally you were a therapist or counsellor? What was your original qualification?
Nova Lewis 1:28
No, no. So originally, I done a year in counselling. So I didn't qualify or anything like that, and fell pregnant with my first son. But really felt at that time, that the counselling route wasn't for me. I just, I couldn't get the feel of me being more of a listener than actually doing stuff. I wanted to do something, shall we say. And then from there, going through my own journey of depression and anxiety and OCD and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder back in 2011. That all started, I went through my own journey of different therapies to try and sort out my own mind and eventually stumbled across a Hypnotherapist. And nothing else had worked for me. So I went to see her. And finally something started to work. And it seems by the time that I finished working with her, she was asking my advice. And I kind of sat there and thought, am I missing the trick? Am I missing something? So I ended up asking her? How do you become a Hypnotherapist? She told me, I finished my therapy with her, registered myself onto the next course. And that was it. That's how my...
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:09
Which training course did you take.
Nova Lewis 3:11
So I done the psychotherapy and hypnotherapy course with the Essex Institute.
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:22
Okay,
Nova Lewis 3:23
Yeah. Okay, that was the start of my journey.
Martin Furber 3:27
Nova, do you find this lived-experience you've had is useful, you know, in attracting clients or any people who know that you've been there sort of thing and you can help them.
Nova Lewis 3:40
It certainly does help. I think, for me, there's nothing more beneficial when somebody comes in, or I'm speaking to somebody on the phone. And they say that they're going through something or they've been through something. And I can actually relate to it because I've either been through similar or I've been through the same. And I am very open with my clients. And I will say, I've been through that. And I know what that feels like. And I think it kind of puts the client's mind at ease. Because they think I'm not alone with this. Somebody actually does understand it, the therapist, and she understands me, she knows what I'm going through. So in that sense, I think it really does help and for me, it's kind of what... Helping others is what makes me tick. It makes me happy to see the finished product with my clients knowing that I've helped them and, I've been through that journey and know what it's like. It's fantastic. There's no there's no better feeling in the world for me, and I love it. I love what I do.
Martin Furber 4:53
Absolutely. I mean, empathy and rapport is every isn't it in therapy. Without a good rapport, you know, there is no therapeutic relationship. But as you say, being able to share your journey and let them see you've come out of the other side, you have, you know, the know-how to help them make the same thing. I always think it's great. It's the same with me with weight loss clients. You know, I was 21 stone.
Nova Lewis 5:21
I know you done fantastic!
Martin Furber 5:23
Thank you, and I've managed to keep it off. That's the thing, that's the all important thing is, actually keeping it off, and having a new relationship with food and a new lifestyle. So once clients know when they've seen the before photographs, when you realise I've been there, that helps, obviously. But what about you Denise? Because obviously, you're a medical doctor background,
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:45
I'm going to ban you from saying that! Mine was similar because I knew I couldn't go back to practising medicine full time, or even part time really, because of my illness I want, but I wanted to do something that made use of that. So I trained as a health coach. But it didn't quite check the box of me doing, so it was sort of me passing on information that I didn't feel as much part of that journey. But I was...People were successful with it. And it was nice to talk to people. And yeah, but I decided that I would add hypnosis, I fell into hypnosis, I found an introductory course that was free. A one month course there just a little bit about the history and a couple of inductions and you know, a taster course for the main event. And the, I mean, I think by the second class, I was completely hooked. That's what I want to be doing. It just...And I'm so furious that I didn't learn it when I was a doctor I should have. I should I should have I should have been introduced to this before. That's the main reason I do this. But we don't have huge amounts of time. So let's not reminisce too much about our own journeys. Nova suggested a very good topic for us to talk about. And that is the cost of living crisis. Both sides of the Atlantic, although ours has calmed down a little bit because of things they put in place that at least are helping for now. But I know that for Nova in particular, the housing crisis, which is still raging here, rental is gone through the roof, there are no houses to buy, even if you could afford; the mortgage rates have gone up astronomically. I mean, they're not as bad as they were when I first entered the housing market almost 40 years ago, but they're very close. They're only half a point off. But I think that talking about how that affects our clients would be really beneficial. And certainly interesting to us. Maybe not to the viewers, but they can always watch the next episode if they want to.
Martin Furber 7:53
Well, yeah, I, for my part when it comes to sort of finances and self-care and what have you. If somebody's stressed, if somebody's totally freaked out, because everything's going wrong, money wise, it's so difficult to take a step back and get back from the emotional mind into the intellectual one, to try and reason things out. Because we all know with any financial situation, ultimately, we have to deal with it, whether that's by asking for help from Citizens Advice, whether it's sitting down with the bank manager, whatever, we you know, we need to be able to take a step back and deal with things logically. But we can't do that when we're under too much stress.
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:35
And of course, the stresses are different for different people. I worry about some things, but I have my retirement funds I can yank on if I need to. But for some people it's 'Am I going to feed the children today?' Yeah, well, these are really big issues. Here, if you lose your job, you lose your health insurance. That at least isn't happening in the UK. But you've got raging inflation right now. I gather that we're getting a little sidetracked by our midterm elections here. So I haven't been following Prime Minister's question time as I usually do. I'm assuming it's pretty much the same and that's it. And now we're going into the season, that traditionally, people overspend anyway, even if they're reasonably safe, they can run themselves into trouble. So how would you approach somebody who came to you that was feeling overwhelmed because of that Nova? Since you came up with the idea...after you.
Nova Lewis 9:33
I actually have clients that they can't afford the full price, they cannot. And for me, as much as Yes, I need the money too, but at the same time, I will help out my clients as much as I can because yeah, if I can sort out one thing for them, and that's their mental health, and actually making them feel a little bit better in themselves, in order to be able to do the things that they need to do, then I will reduce my costs. And I do, you know, I do reduce my cost for sort of, for clients that need my help clients that are, you know, on benefits, or they're on a low income, you know, not everyone can, or are able to afford our help. And, again, remembering with myself, but back when I needed therapy, and I would not suggest this to anyone, but at the time, I didn't have the money. So I went and got a credit card, to be able to pay for my therapy. And I, please don't do that. Because I don't suggest that to do that to anyone. But that's what I did. Because it was so bad for me. The worry that I have with the cost of living crisis is the effect on people's mental health, we've come out of COVID. And now we have this cost of living crisis. And if people are choosing, parents, I'm going to feed my kids and I can't feed myself and we need to heat the home. The effects on the brain from lack of food, not having right nutrition, it does affect the brain. And it does, and it will cause mental health problems and that, at the end of this when we do come out of this with COVID, with now this cost of living crisis, what next? You know, it's the mental health crisis in the UK is bad enough as it is, you know, the waiting list on NHS service six months to a year just to get an appointment. Yeah. So, how bad is it going to get? And we know that the NHS is...
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:00
And the effect on children and their mental health?
Nova Lewis 12:05
Exactly. And we know that a lot of mental health does start in childhood.
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:10
Insecurity.
Martin Furber 12:11
Nova, can I ask how old are your children?
Nova Lewis 12:14
So I have an 11 year old and an eight year old.
Martin Furber 12:18
Okay, so they've both spent approximately 20% of their lives in lockdown. Which, at those ages, I mean, a year seems to last forever. You know, you remember waiting from between your 10th and 11th birthday, it lasts forever. So yeah, they have been through two years of lockdown. And as you say, now, you know, we're into this cost of living crisis. I mean, you're a Mum with young children. How have prices affected you? Because I know even you know, at this end of the country and there's just two in our house to feed. I'm noticing it when we're in the supermarket.You know, I'm spending 30% more than I was a year ago to get the same things. So some people are getting the same things and spending 30% more other people are only able to get 30% Less.
Nova Lewis 13:10
Yeah, I mean, we've we've now we've had to set a budget on how much we can spend a day on food. It's as simple as that. Because obviously, you know, heating's gone up food has gone up so much. Something has to give. So there's you know, we have to have that budget on what we can spend. And if we overspend then it's, well the children they're not gonna get those... and when.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:40
And there's those other things like kids who managed to wear the same pair of shoes for four or five months and then suddenly they go up a whole size, overnight, and it's all... Yes, you've got to buy shoes aren't you gonna eat in order to have money for that? Yeah, this..
Nova Lewis 13:59
Exactly, Yeah, I know. I know. It's it really is hard. It is very difficult. I mean, lockdown for us. actually wasn't that bad because I've got two children with special needs. So for them not being at school. They quite enjoyed not being at school.
Martin Furber 14:18
How did it affect you though? homeschooling them?
Nova Lewis 14:21
It was hard. Yeah, they were pretty... They were refusing to, to do it, to do homeschooling. And they found that very difficult. It was actually getting them back to school. Because they struggle with change, getting them back to school. That was, that's the hard part. And that is still a struggle now. Actually being at school since the lockdown.
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:51
Yeah. A lot a lot of people are struggling with. Yeah. Even if even if we weren't in the cost of living crisis that would still be a struggle for Oh, that's another Sorry, sorry.
Martin Furber 15:03
Okay, I was just gonna say just going back to the financial crisis thing for a minute or two, just touching on something Nova said about credit cards, I know we're, we've put that section away. But what, what happens with certain people when they are in dire financial straits. And you know, the emotional brain takes over, and they start spending on a credit card uncontrollably. Logically they know they shouldn't do that. But the emotional brain takes over. And it's the same thing with eating logically, you know, you shouldn't consume more calories than you're going to burn off, but nevertheless, you'll still do it. Because, you know, you're in your primitive brain. You know, I think is part of this mental health crisis that we're having at the moment that, you know, we've yet to see the results of people starting to do desperate things like that, because of the situation. It's the kind of thing people do when they are in dire straits, they'll they'll just carry on regardless. You know...
Denise Billen-Mejia 16:07
Especially with major holidays coming over-spending happens even in the best of times. Yeah, and what unwise spending, you know, the guilt, you know, I can't Okay, I'll buy you five books. Okay. But I you know, buy your bike and this under that and the other and it's very difficult for people
Martin Furber 16:30
Well, that's the marketeers again, they you know, talking about hypnosis, they know exactly how to get under people's skin, make you feel that your life is going to be so fabulous once you have this product, you know, didn't realise you needed yet. You know, it's you know, your life will be perfect once you drink this drink or eat this food and we'll all be sat around and happy eating just like on the telly commercials, and that's how they get under the skin and create that, as we were talking about before, the fear of missing out.
Nova Lewis 16:59
Yeah, and I think the other thing as well, big thing is addiction. So people are seeing things oh, well, you know, spend money on this, like gambling on an advert. You'll win X amount of money. People that are desperate. They're gonna say well, I'll just do a little bit. I'll just do a little bit and I'll just try and win some money.
Martin Furber 17:22
That's something Nova, you've picked on because correct me if I am wrong Denise, I think it's still the case, isn't it? Online gambling is banned in the States.
Nova Lewis 17:29
Yeah. But over here..
Martin Furber 17:30
You don't have online casinos and things.
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:33
We've got we've got work arounds. It's not part of the culture I move in. But yeah, I mean, there's a lot of...
Martin Furber 17:39
It's a big thing over here, you know, especially on a Friday and Saturday night about 10 o'clock, when they know people have come home from the pub, had a few drinks, and their resistance is low. All these gambling and online casino things come on television they're horrendous, and when you think in this country, actual casinos that, your physical ones that you go into a so strictly governed, there's no alcohol at the tables, you have to go to a separate bar area to drink alcohol, you can't tip the croupiers it is really, really strict and controlled. Yet, this online stuff is just a free for all. And talk about consumer addictions, that is terrible, absolutely terrible.
Nova Lewis 18:17
And when people are desperate, and they need money. It's so easy. It's so easy to do. It's so easy to access and then it just draws you in. And that's it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:31
But let's pivot slightly. How would you address a client who came to you who can't afford your services properly? But recognises they're in freefall, and they need help. What kinds of things would you offer them?
Nova Lewis 18:48
Firstly, a reduction in price, that's affordable to them that is affordable. Once we've established that, then I mean, I do a number of different therapies. So I'm kind of, in a way I suppose. I feel blessed in the different things that I've learned that I can teach to my clients so I can use hypnotherapy to help them with their gambling addiction. I can use brain working recursive therapy. BWRT for short, that's another one that I like to use with addiction and psychotherapy. A combination of therapies basically to stop. I think a big part of gambling is lots of OCD behaviours, with gambling that, the compulsion to want to do it but then there's a reason behind it. Why are they doing it? So I look at the reason first, you know, why are you doing this? What is the situation And then start working on that.
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:03
What about somebody who's come who doesn't have a gambling issue? Because they haven't got two cents anyway. But they got three kids to feed, and people keep growing, outgrowing their shoes and all those things. And Christmas is coming. What? What kinds of things? Do you have a lot of people say, I'd really like to come to you, but I can't afford to spend money on myself. Do you? Most of us will work a sliding scale for those who truly need it. And a few a few times pro bono as well. But are there different, different things that you would offer to somebody who's, you know, being evicted? Because they can't pay the rent? And it's nearly Christmas? And they've got three kids? What? What kinds of things would you offer? Do you, or are you able, because of your experience, to point them to the right people to get help from.
Nova Lewis 20:54
Definitely, right, yeah, and that, that is it. It's my experience, the things that I know, and helping them to look into stuff as well. You know, maybe they don't know what, what exactly they need to do. So I would definitely help them with that. Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:11
Right. Yeah, it's the overwhelm, I think it's that that's where we can really help, slow it down a little bit and look at each piece of the puzzle, the problem.
Nova Lewis 21:24
Yeah, and deal with it by being, as you said, pieces of the puzzle. And it's so true, what you know, someone that's going through a crisis, it just seems like so much all at once, and it's all on top of them. But just by breaking it down into sections, which is what I like to do, and then just start dealing with that bit by bit. And then you're taking that burden away from the client from the person. And helping them in any way that you can
Martin Furber 21:57
That's it, it's about changing their perceptions of things as well. What I find useful, is to look for exceptions to when they're not feeling overwhelmed, and to get them to talk about how they are during these exceptions. And it puts them again, in the correct frame of mind. And also for them to identify exceptions in their past, where they've managed to, you know, complete things, deal with things and get on top of things. And that just reminds them of their inner strengths and, again, helps with their mindset to deal with things. Because, you know, again, as we've said, ultimately, with all these things, people need to address them for themselves, whether that's seeking help through the correct agencies. I mean that's another ting, at the moment, we have people now in this country, going into financial crises that have never experienced it before. I mean, I'm 58, I can remember interest rates being something like 15% in the 80s, and the value of my house halving over 12 months, you know, that's how it was. And being trapped in negative equity. People who are sort of 40 and under have never known high interest rates never known high mortgage rates. And you've got people now with mortgages that are increasing, suddenly, they're finding themselves made redundant, okay, we've not had mass redundancies over here yet, but it's coming. For sure it will. And people are really having to tighten their belts that have never done it before, you know, that they're not they wouldn't know where to start. And, you know, the shame to them of having to go to a food bank to use a food bank. Yeah, people in what you would regard as relatively good jobs. And yes, they managed fine up until, say, six months ago, suddenly realising that that shopping bag full of groceries is really helpful to them, and makes a big difference. And it means for example, they can spend that 30 pounds on a pair of shoes for the child that's just outgrown some, rather than on shopping. And I think that will affect those people's mental health and well-being to suddenly feel you know, like, you know, you've got a couple there a man and a woman they're both working full time like, you know, why do I need to go to a food bank? Yeah. And this is the shame and you may feel with which they shouldn't feel, but unfortunately they do. You know, I think, I think a lot of people are going to be suffering with their mental health for this. I think that's a nice spot to say that, you know, for anybody who's watching this, that may be, you know, on their uppers there is help out there. There are a lot of nice people out there. Sometimes it's difficult to to acknowledge that when we look out the window and we see a miserable world or we see bad news on the television. There is help out there, never despair that much. You know, and there are agencies out there that can help. I'm not I'm not saying it's easy. I certainly haven't been in that kind of situation before. But you know, there are, there is a lot of good in the world, there are a lot of nice people. It's the same with us, you know, okay, we're all private therapists, we work outside of the health service, we charge privately. But you know, we do our best providing these videos that hopefully may help some people and make them feel better give them a bit of hope.
Nova Lewis 25:16
Yeah. And that's it is having that hope and realising that you're not on your own. You're not on your own through whatever you're going through that there are those people that care as therapists we care.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:31
And when an individual is going through that they can always resolve to accept the help and pay it forward, when they're no longer in that situation, yes, you can help the next person.
Martin Furber 25:43
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Nova Lewis 25:45
Yeah. Yeah.
Martin Furber 25:48
I think yeah, I think you've hit the nail there Denise, because obviously, if somebody is reluctant to accept help, because they've never been in that position, you have to get in that mindset as well. In the future, I will pass this forward. Yeah, I think I think that's a lovely way to look at something.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:02
Do you have? Do you have anything you would advise. If you were seeing a client who's worried about this now, but as we're moving into this, relatively, it's not uncommon for people who've got reasonable incomes and security to run up major debt? And because it's not plastic isn't real. And in January and February, suddenly, they have to tighten the belt a little bit?
Nova Lewis 26:23
Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:24
Or they're going to carry on and be paying ridiculous interest because the interest rates have risen. How would you, how would you help account a current client, deal with that and not overspend? Not get out? What, what what issues? Are they addressing? Perhaps not as appropriately as they might want, what issues are they addressing? Why are they doing that? Why do we all do it? To some extent.
Nova Lewis 26:55
I think the first thing is for them to have a checklist, a spreadsheet, something so they know if certain things happen, this is what we can do. If we get into this situation, be prepared, always be ready. At least then if you have that, that's going to take a little bit of the strain off of you. If things were to happen if that financial difficulty did happen, what you do,
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:31
right, but what I'm talking about is getting yourself into it. It's just like you've still got the same job. You're still living in the same house, but you've managed to give yourself a 5 or 6000 pound credit card bill that you don't...That's outside of your normal situation. Most people don't have bags of money in the bank waiting for eventualities. Is there, are there things that you would help them work on? I mean, sometimes it's from guilt. 'Your dad and I are both working, so we're not home with you, so we'll buy you ridiculously expensive Christmas present' Do you help people work through things like that to figure out what the what the trigger is that makes them do that?
Nova Lewis 28:18
Yeah, definitely. So looking at what the issues are, again, like we said before, what the issues are behind it, what's causing those feelings, dealing with the guilt. Dealing with the what ifs a lot of what ifs in therapy, the worry the what what's coming next. What if that happens? If it does, we can deal with it. We can talk through that we can... I think a lot with especially money, as you said it's guilt, the guilt that we feel when working through that with therapy.
Martin Furber 28:59
What about the spendaholic, you know, the dopamine hit they get from constantly spending, especially online.
Nova Lewis 29:06
Again, yeah, again, the same thing. It's the excitement of spending and the high that that can give you...
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:16
Well, you're not it's not in the high from spending it. So it's a high from acquiring and forgetting that spent money has to be found somewhere.
Nova Lewis 29:25
Exactly. And then dealing with the fallout of that. And again, it goes back to that to guilt isn't it and like...
Martin Furber 29:34
That's just reminded me of something really strange that happened once, I was in IKEA with Nick and we'd spent about four hours in IKEA going around and getting bits and filling the basket with you know, a lot of crap that we didn't realise we needed. Got to the checkout, and there was something like a one hour late a wait rather. And Nick said oh sod that, and just left the trolley there and we left the store. And then when we got outside he said that was really good. He said I felt like I'd been shopping but it didn't cost me anything!
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:08
So maybe we should try walking our clients in trance through IKEA.
Martin Furber 30:14
Through a shopping thing yeah.
Nova Lewis 30:16
They can feel like that they are shopping. But yeah. Yeah, got another idea today!
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:23
Be a bit hard to deliver the imaginary gifts to your kids on Christmas day.
Nova Lewis 30:29
Yeah, very true. Yeah,
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:32
I think there is. There's always light at the end of the tunnel, just maybe a really, really long tunnel. And there are people who are available to help including hypnotherapists. And if one guy says no, I can't work with your budget, then there's somebody else in the phonebook, undoubtedly having listened to the bit on qualifications, who makes a good therapist. But I think that a lot of what we're dealing with, it's been an escalation of...I ,everybody is equal. This is absolutely true. We are all equal, but a lot of people's pocketbooks are a different size. And and we've gotten used to spending more than we used to when I grew up, my grandmother lived in a two-up-two-down she had eight kids. Not at the time when I was around, but I mean she had all kids, but they were grown. But now we expect to have larger homes, we expect our kids to be able to get the... whatever the latest thing is. I was watching something on TV here recently. It was talking about the crazy sale before Christmas.
Nova Lewis 31:49
Black Friday
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:49
The Black Friday stuff which is coming up here because it's Thanksgiving this Thursday, we're taping this one quite quite, it'll go out afterwards. But, and it was talking about the cabbage patch doll craze, I don't know if you two remember that?
Martin Furber 32:02
I remember that!
Nova Lewis 32:03
I had Cabbage Patch dolls.
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:06
I remember, going to FAO Schwarz, which is a big toy shop in New York because I was living there there and looking for a niece, for a cabbage patch doll for a four year old and stand, I mean, I moved out of New York ages ago and it was like crowded even for New York it was elbow to elbow, and often elbow in parts of your anatomy they shouldn't be. It was, it was really difficult. And I was determined to get one because this four year old wanted one, but she didn't need one. Nobody needs those things. But the kids feel like they do. And some of that is on the you know, when I was growing up television wasn't all that. You know, I remember we got our first TV set, you didn't see that kind of advertisement for a start on the BBC so you didn't see ads anyway. But it's so in your face all the time now that people honestly do believe they need these things. And...
Martin Furber 33:07
That's it the marketeers create a need or the illusion of need,
Denise Billen-Mejia 33:11
Right, but they don't do it all by themselves. It's because we participate. You know, you can't be hypnotised unless you're willing remember! I think there's some of it is personal responsibility, which sounds very judgmental, but it is also just taking a really hard cold look at what do you need, if this thing is absolutely important to you fine, but you don't get the other 17 things that's on that really, really important list to choose. You make sensible decisions as you're do in everything in life. And that's where going through some of this difficulty can be helpful to kids that they can learn from parents being able to make sensible decisions in the face of difficulties. And then perhaps, in a few generations, we'll get rid of some of this craziness and go back. But not to the point where people are ironing the wrapping paper as they did post depression. Grandparents, would everything, everything got saved.
Martin Furber 34:10
I can remember my mother doing that in the 70s
Denise Billen-Mejia 34:13
Yeah, but it was probably because of her, her parents experienced the depression. Yeah.
Well, yeah, well my mother was born during, er no, just before the second world war two years before it so yeah, she you know, they were brought up in real poverty.
Unknown Speaker 34:33
Yeah, I just want to say I've got to say going back to the cabbage patch dools, so they bought them back recently cabbage patch dolls. I was in the shops for my children, and they bought them back and they had these miniature ones as well. And I picked one up and you know, I smelt it and the smell of the cabbage patch doll there's a smell to it. It's hypnotherapy, right back, I went straight back to being that child again. Yeah, that smell and it brought a tear to my eye. So all I can say is this. If I got a Cabbage Patch Doll for Christmas, I would be very happy because I would just smell it.
Martin Furber 35:18
Nice. It's true though the smells can instantly evoke memories.
Nova Lewis 35:22
Yeah. So every time I go into toy shop now and I see them I'm very strange. It takes me straight back, still got that same smell.
Martin Furber 35:36
On that lovely, happy thought, time to wrap up another episode of Two Hypnotherapists Talking. So thanks for coming on Nova. It's been lovely chatting with you. I'll let Denise say the final goodbyes.
Denise Billen-Mejia 35:47
Yes, so thank you, everybody. And please write to either of us or and in the show notes, there'll be contact information for Nova too. If you are in dire straits yourself, please contact us, we would be honoured to help you figure it out, not fix the problem, but help you figure it out. Thank you, everybody. See you next week.
Martin Furber 36:10
Ok Bye.
Denise Billen-Mejia 36:18
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Martin Furber 36:34
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