Denise Billen-Mejia 0:07
Welcome to Two hypnotherapists talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia in Delaware, USA.
Martin Furber 0:13
And me Martin Furber in Preston UK.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:16
This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who'd like to know more about fascinating subject of hypnosis and the benefits it offers.
Martin Furber 0:24
I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and psychotherapist,
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:27
I'm a retired medical doctor turned consulting hypnotist.
Martin Furber 0:31
We are two hypnotherapists talking.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:34
So let's get on with the episode.
Martin Furber 0:37
Okay, yeah, let's get on with the show indeed. And this week, Denise and I are very pleased to welcome fellow hypnotherapist Jackie Thomson. Hi, Jackie.
Jackie Thomson 0:45
Hi,
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:46
Hi Jackie.
Jackie Thomson 0:47
Hi, Denise.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:49
So what is the weather like in north Wales? We've been having some strange weather here.
Jackie Thomson 0:55
Yeah. Today glorious. Yesterday a bit thundery, you know, who knows? We live between the mountains, the sea and everything else, so.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:06
It sounds beautiful. And you have a therapy room? Which I You're you're recording this from, which I love? Do you? Do you also see clients online?
Jackie Thomson 1:16
Yes, I do. Yeah. Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:19
What percentage do you think are online? And what percentage are locals? I'm assuming local ish.
Speaker 2 1:26
I would say, Probably 20% online, maybe I run groups online.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:34
Tell us about your journey to becoming a hypnotist.
Jackie Thomson 1:38
How long have you got?
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:40
We've got as long as you like, the episode's about 30 minutes. So no more than 20, please.
Speaker 2 1:48
You're alright. I like talking. But you know, let's be realistic here. My journey, okay. I had a very, very corporate business for a long time, which was my own business. I set it up when my children were born, so I could be at home for them. And 26 years later, they'd all left home and I was still doing this very corporate job. And I've never really liked it. So I thought time for me, you know, getting older, I don't want to be stuck in a job that I don't like, what am I going to do? And a life change gave me the perfect opportunity to set up a new, new life, new business. And I started off in a lot of spiritual holistic work. But there was something missing. And I hadn't got the, I could work with people, but it was very difficult for them to make a change in any constructive way.
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:02
Then it's what we all do.
Jackie Thomson 3:04
Yeah, exactly.
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:05
So, how did you find it though? How do you realise that that was the piece that was missing? Did you just, like me, I just sort of fell over an intro course.
Jackie Thomson 3:16
Yes. Okay. Yeah, I saw, I started getting interested and thought I wonder if I could do it, you know, not getting any younger hadn't been in college for 40 odd years. You know, that's, that's a big gap between, you know, leaving college and starting study again. And I thought, can I do this? And I came across the course that I ended up taking, they had an intro Day, which I booked to go on. And life said, No, actually, you're not going on that. So I didn't make it to the intro day. And I thought, You know what, I'm just going to do it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:03
So that was there. Why didn't you come and join our school? And you just said, I'll skip that bit and just go straight to that. Yeah, first-day class. All right.
Speaker 2 4:15
Best thing I ever did. Loved it, loved the training. I felt like I'd found that missing. Link. You know, I've been a life coach for years. And but it was that just getting over that. Changing the, removing the blocks.
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:36
Yeah, with me, it was the second week of the intro-course that I was taking, that was a free course. I suddenly went, did a 180. Like, this is what I should have been doing all along. Yeah. Not that I shouldn't have been doing medicine, but I should have had that with my medicine.
Jackie Thomson 4:53
Absolutely.
Martin Furber 4:54
We've commented on it Jackie, so many times, and especially with so many of our guests on here. It's a second or third career for so many people. And of course our mutual friend says frequently in her presentations, you know, nobody leaves school saying I'm going to be a Hypnotherapist. It's something we sort of stumble across later in life. Makes you wonder, though, nowadays with the increased popularity if we're going to start putting it into college courses.
Jackie Thomson 5:24
Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me.
Jackie Thomson 5:27
Yeah,
Speaker 2 5:28
And I know, schools, careers fairs are quite interested in, in having holistic therapies available. So...
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:40
When you say schools, you mean schools or you mean colleges.
Speaker 2 5:45
Here, it's generally schools who their sixth form. That's where they're going, you know, whether the...
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:52
Remember the conversation we had before two languages going on, even though we appear to be speaking English. It is a bit different over here. Yeah. We tend to use the term school for any form of education, colloquially.
Martin Furber 6:05
So, you're talking about our careers fair aimed at 16 to 18 year olds then Jackie.
Jackie Thomson 6:08
Yeah, generally. Yeah.
Martin Furber 6:10
Actually. Do the CNHC appear at such places?
Speaker 2 6:16
I believe, well, I can't speak for around here because I haven't seen any but certainly in London, they were starting to appear at all of these. Yeah.
Martin Furber 6:28
Because of they're becoming far more prominent of course, the CNHC.
Speaker 2 6:30
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's interesting. And you know, I've talked to some young people and they're quite interested in, in what I'm doing. And really, there's no reason why they can't do it. They can do hypnotherapy at University now, of course, they can actually get a hypnotherapy degree.
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:50
Which Universities? Because I knew there was one but it was disbanded. What's his name? Gary, Gary has a master's in hypnosis. But that, you know, they don't have funding at university level was a big issue. So they have to have enough students studying the subject you'd be able to have some money.
Jackie Thomson 7:08
Yeah. Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 7:11
And that is, of course, the answer to those who think it's all a load of woo-woo stuff. No - It's a real science thing. It's just yeah, with some interesting edges to it.
Jackie Thomson 7:18
Yeah. I like that interesting edges.
Martin Furber 7:25
We were having a big discussion a couple of weeks ago on our other podcasts. Of course, with the advent of such imagery now available and what the brain does whilst people are in hypnosis, of course, a lot of what people suppose to be pseudoscience can now be disproven, we can see the definite changes taking place when somebody's in state of hypnosis. And it's very different to when they are thinking ordinarily, if they're sat at the computer typing away, or doing some maths, because Denise always says math! Or doing some maths or something, the brain is working very differently. Different areas of the brain are working when we are within the hypnotic state.
Jackie Thomson 8:09
Yeah, absolutely.
Martin Furber 8:11
So tell us more about your practice then. Where are you, you're in north Wales aren't you? Near Llandudno.
Jackie Thomson 8:16
I'm in north Wales near Llandudno yeah.
Martin Furber 8:18
Tell us about the people you serve, the kind of people you help, and what kind of help you give them.
Speaker 2 8:23
Okay, having said when I first qualified, I will never work with weight loss - guess what?
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:30
Yeah. Same with me and smoking.
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:37
The universe has ways doesn't it? I work mainly, not wholly, but mainly with women who are probably 40 to 45+, who are finding themselves maybe going through menopause. Empty nest syndrome is a big thing. Kids going off to university you know, suddenly find themselves with a partner that they've been married to for, or not married to, for some while but they've forgotten how to be part of a couple because they've been mum for so long. The children leaving home has left a big hole in their lives they've forgotten how to love themselves, how to do things.
Denise Billen-Mejia 9:23
And some may never have known.
Speaker 2 9:25
True yeah, that's very true, but they forgotten about nurturing themselves and getting what they need from their lives, because it's been so children focused, and then menopause comes along you know, and they're feeling not quite like necessarily a whole woman anymore and all of these things, so they are the majority of clients will be empty nest menopause, weight-loss anxiety,
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:03
And these people who are looking holistically at their life, accounts, because you do life-coaching as well,
Jackie Thomson 10:10
Life coaching as well.
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:12
Yeah. So these people do, what do I do with myself now, as I'm looking at the next probably 40 or 50 years of life. Now, what? Or are these people with a specific problem that they want addressed?
Jackie Thomson 10:25
They come with what they think is a specific problem, like I can't lose weight. Well, we know I can't lose weight isn't the problem, it's a symptom of the problem. And once we start having conversations, then they realise that it's more than, than what they've come with. They don't come in saying, you know, fix my life. It's generally they come in because they're having problems with something.
Martin Furber 10:57
Yeah, absolutely. When it when it comes to food, the, you know, weight management issues, it's rarely about food. Yeah, it's rarely about the food, it's the issues behind it, that you need to do, to stop wanting the food or, I mean, to quote Denise nickiing her expression, we eat our emotions.
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:15
It's not my expression. But yes, indeed.
Jackie Thomson 11:20
We do eat our emotions, and a lot of us don't even realise we're doing it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:27
Well, most of us don't.
Jackie Thomson 11:29
Most of us don't, yeah. But you know, they'll come in, you know, I'm, I'm really anxious. I'm a very anxious person. And, you know, and because I'm anxious, I'm putting on weight. And I'm, what comes first the cart or the horse?
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:45
Yeah.
Jackie Thomson 11:46
Until we have that conversation. So though, you know, I might be talking to somebody somewhere, I was out for lunch today with a few people. And you know, somebody was saying, I don't know how you can stand up in front of a network and talk to people. You know...
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:08
I can help you with that. Yeah.
Jackie Thomson 12:11
Yeah. So you know, and then we talk about what it's all about. And you know, it's as simple as she doesn't really know what she needs to say, doesn't know what she wants to say. But oh, it makes me so anxious. And you know, my heart's going and, and I'll say that that's normal. If you're not a little bit nervous, then you're going to fluff it anyway.
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:34
One of the times I get most frustrated is when I'm with big groups of doctors, and we're talking about people. They take beta blockers, before they have to do a radio show or give a talk like, oh, just look at what I do for him to talk to me. Again, if hypnosis was taught in medical school, we could get rid of that problem.
Jackie Thomson 13:00
But we'd be out of a job wouldn't we, let's be honest,
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:03
No, no, this, the general public isn't at medical school.
Jackie Thomson 13:06
True, I hadn't thought of that one.
Martin Furber 13:09
Yeah. Do you personally enjoy public speaking then Jackie, do you like getting up in front of a roomful of people?
Jackie Thomson 13:16
I love it.
Martin Furber 13:16
Yeah.
Jackie Thomson 13:18
I absolutely love it. And, and to see the aha moments on somebody's face. You know, I love doing events like that. And, you know, we had a conversation about this today. And, and I said, Yeah, I get nervous. But actually, I grew up around the theatre. So when I get on that stage, I am a character. I am the hypnotherapist or whatever I'm performing that day
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:48
This is not to imply she's pretending to be a Hypnotherapist. She really is one.
Martin Furber 13:54
In which capacity you're up there, yeah. You could be up there as a life coach, of course, couldn't you?
Jackie Thomson 13:58
Yeah, but I don't, it's not little old Jackie who, you know, actually wouldn't say boo to a goose in real life.
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:06
Right. But what venues do you tend to do, do you do corporate events, speaking to really large groups, or is it small groups, so you can make eye contact with everybody there.
Jackie Thomson 14:17
I prefer smaller groups. You know, maybe 30-40 people in a room is comfortable. Would I do corporate events? Yeah, of course I would. Absolutely.
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:30
If anybody with a corporation is listening, they can talk to you.
Martin Furber 14:36
I've got one next week actually. I recently did a corporate event where the manager decided at the last minute he was only going to let half his team attend, because he didn't want the whole office to be taken up, you know, with my session with the well-being session. The minute I'd finished he got in touch with me saying Oh, can you come back and do the other half of the staff please. they're all kicking off because they missed out!
Jackie Thomson 15:01
Yeah, yeah, that was that was an oversight, wasn't it? Yeah.
Martin Furber 15:08
I've gotta go back there next week and present the same workshop to the other half of the staff.
Jackie Thomson 15:12
Yeah. Yeah. But you know, get 10 or a dozen people in a more intimate setting. And talking to them. You know, that's, that's good, too. It's good for them and I enjoy it. Yeah.
Martin Furber 15:27
You mentioned something earlier today about that aha moment. Yeah, I call it the lightbulb moment. It is good, when you're presenting to anyone, you get it as well Denise, with clients one to one as well, when you're discussing their issue with them, when you let them know you understand, and then you say something they relate to, you see that light bulb moment? That's for me, that's when I always know, yeah, I can help this person, they know I can help them.
Jackie Thomson 15:53
Yes, and that is a beautiful moment. It's great when, and this is gonna sound bad. But, I've been through a lot in my life. And if I can say to somebody, actually, I do understand how that feels. Because I've been through that. And they say - have you? You know, well, you can't see that? Well, no, because I don't go around wearing my on my sleeve.
Martin Furber 16:23
You've dealt with it. You moved on and you're better for it. Exactly. So you're just demonstrating your mental resilience, which is great. Yeah, you know, they can see there's something on the other end. I mean, I'm a great believer, I was trained in solution focused hypnotherapy. So it's always about concentrating on the desired result, the end game what the client wants, you know, and they can come with any number of issues, but we never revisit them. In the kind of therapy I do, we never go back to the original issue, we get all the attention focused on where they want to be. Which I always think is better. Well, you know, we all practice different ways, but that, for me, I get the most satisfaction from that. And, you know, I get the results as well, which is great, of course, it is what the client wants at the end of the day.
Jackie Thomson 17:13
I'm definitely very much focused on the solution. But I'm also open to listening. Because and I'm not saying you're not Martin, but for me, people come in and I'll let them pour their hearts out, once, right just once.
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:31
Oh yeah, he'll listen to them the first time too.
Martin Furber 17:34
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah,
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:38
Because all you're, I don't mean to suggest anybody who's listening, that we're implying that you're wallowing. But if your mind is constantly hearing the negative stuff that's been going on, it's just going to deepen that track in your brain and we need to get you somewhere else.
Martin Furber 17:53
Yeah, anything you can...
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:54
And I'm not solution focused!
Martin Furber 17:59
Yeah, but anything you focus on you will amplify. I mean, I can remember in my early days of training, with my tutor, when they were saying, you know, don't allow clients to focus on the problems to keep going over them. And I said, How rude. You know, in my previous profession as a jeweller, when people come to you, jewellery, there are a few things in life more emotive than jewellery. It's usually for a reason, birth, christening, weddings, engagements, and of course, mourning jewellery, and what have you. And when clients used to come in, and you were going on that journey with them, making a piece of jewellery, designing it, they would offload their problems to you, but for some reason, I don't know why, people sort of viewed me as a therapist. Maybe it was a clue to the...
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:43
Foreshadowing.
Martin Furber 18:44
Yeah. You know, I used to, you know, do my best to empathise with clients and listen and show them I was listening, etc. So when I was first training to be a therapist, I used to think, how rude not to allow the clients to offload the same thing. And then it was explained to me why and it was like that lightbulb moment. Got it. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
Jackie Thomson 19:07
Yeah. Yeah, it's good to listen to them, though, as well,
Martin Furber 19:11
Oh, yeah. People need to know that you're on their wavelength. Yeah. You know, that's how we develop empathy with the clients, that they need to know we get their situation, and we understand them. And we need to use our skills to get them to, where,m where they've said they want to be.
Jackie Thomson 19:27
Yeah, and it's interesting because quite often when they're telling the story, you hear what they're not saying as well as what they are saying. And that's the, I think that's the key thing isn't it, is to hear what they're not saying.
Martin Furber 19:41
Yeah. Yeah, you I mean we pick up on everything don't we? We you know, we see the body language, we see the movement, we you know, even online, you can still see it all. Yeah, we do pick up on so much more than just what is said.
Jackie Thomson 19:58
We do.
Martin Furber 19:58
It just made me think that Denise because you're smiling. I'm just thinking, how does it vary with you? Now picking up on what people say as you treat adults compared to what you did face to face with children?
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:12
Oh, that was so long ago that I've worked exclusively with children. I don't know, the energy from I mean, children, children, not adolescent children. They're just they don't tell fibs, they don't cover stuff up, they'll tell you what's going on. Unless they're been, you know, like, once you've built rapport with them, obviously, because people clam up anyway. I actually was asked this morning by a fellow doctor, if I saw children, I haven't seen kids as a hypnotist because I just haven't been asked to. So maybe I'll start getting references, referrals for that, that will be interesting. Well, I don't know. I don't think it's different. I think adults are just grown up children. You know, they used to say, people tend to treat children as if they're a little adults, which they are not, but all adults have got that child bit still kicking around, it's actually very useful to go in that direction, rather than trying to go the other way. Yeah, it's very interesting how many people have done a little self-analysis before they come to see me and they will speak to specific episodes or types of parenting as being the explanation for their issue. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. But I think people are becoming more aware of how much we carry it into our adult life.
Martin Furber 21:49
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we've talked about this before, haven't we, about, you know, when, as adults, Jackie, when we're in times of stress, and when our stress buckets are getting full sort of thing. Any sort of voices from tormentors in our past can come back to haunt us, that kind of thing. Things that we, you know, people may have done or said to us over the years, it can suddenly start replaying, and come out of, appear out of nowhere, or apparently appear out of nowhere. You know, especially when people have perhaps been bullied as children or something like that, it can then come back. As adults, I do a lot of work on that, because I've worked with the LGBT community quite a bit. And I help people out who who've dealt with, you know, early life, marginalisation and bullying, that kind of thing. You know, help them to move on from that, basically.
Jackie Thomson 22:45
Yeah, that's a wonderful thing to be able to do. Isn't it really to help people move on from, from what they've carried with them, throughout their lives?
Denise Billen-Mejia 22:55
Yeah. This is this is un-hypnotising people with hypnosis? Yes, these are these are things that have been put in the same way that the good stuff gets in. It's the bad stuff gets in the same way.
Martin Furber 23:06
Well, yes. It's the same with habits isn't it Denise?
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:09
So what when, you've you said the bulk of your clients are coming, are your husband's? Is he pulling in the same? I mean, it's a different thing in English than American, sorry. Yes, getting the same clients?
Jackie Thomson 23:27
No, because we're very different people. The language we use when we're talking, you know, on social media and things like that. He comes from a very different background as well. He's had a very, very different experience to me. So, and interestingly, I tend to attract more women. I can't say he attracts more men. But you know, his...
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:03
Do you think more women are likely to seek hypnotists? Now this is a question is for Martin perhaps, because my clients suddenly have skewed male, used to be almost only female and now I'm seeing more men approaching, usually for specific that most of them are older. The majority of people are my age range, which is in almost 70. But so they're well over 60 and into early 80's. So I thought that was kind of curious because I assumed and I think my, my voice on line tends to be 'Hi, are you a female'?' I'm not quite sure what happened, although, I suspect it's more word of mouth than I'm hearing about. I live in a fairly small community too. A lot of people are local.
Jackie Thomson 25:01
Yes, I've had a few men come along recently. And the last two have said, Oh, it was my wife or my girlfriend recommended you. And you know, they come from a very, for a very specific problem.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:20
Yeah.
Jackie Thomson 25:21
And I've said, Okay, well we'll have a go and we'll see, you know, how it goes, and both of them, two sessions and done. Yeah, yeah, the their female counterparts would be, you know, they'll keep coming for months because they enjoy it so much.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:42
Are there? Do their issues tend to be things that like, you know, what I tell all weight loss people, this is not a, I don't hypnotise you, and you go away and lose 300 pounds, I need to see you on a regular basis, I tend to suggest to them that three months is the right amount of time to be well on the way, obviously they can bail before if they're having great success, but other issues, I tend to tell them, depending on how I feel about them, when I meet them, because a lot of this is personalised, but it will be if you have this issue, I think we can take care of this in two or three sessions. So let's do two or three sessions. And then if I haven't fixed it, but then I'll let it go over for another session or two without any credit cards involved. Mostly because I've been really lucky. There have been very few clients who haven't really engaged in the process, and therefore they have change, because they are willing to put the work in. And it was it's an unfortunate term, we have to find something else other than work because it isn't. This isn't like it's heavy lifting, you know, but they have to listen to the audio, show up the appointment, believe what I'm saying to them actually engage their imagination.
Martin Furber 27:00
They need to be engaged.
Jackie Thomson 27:01
Yes, yeah, absolutely
Martin Furber 27:03
And committed.
Jackie Thomson 27:05
Yeah. Yeah. I think the male population is definitely, I mean obviously not going to come with menopause, are they? Even though there is...
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:13
Unlikely!
Jackie Thomson 27:14
There is a male counterpart, of course, but you know, they're unlikely to recognise that. But the two I'm thinking of more recently, one of them was to stop smoking. I don't, I've only ever had one woman who wanted you to stop smoking. And the other one was for nightmares. You know, I don't tend to get men come for weight loss.
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:42
Nightmares, was that from a particular memory that was haunting them, or just coming up?
Jackie Thomson 27:47
Yeah, it was a particular memory. And it was just causing anxiety. So, that's not to lessen the impact it was having on his life. But you know, it was,
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:59
It was a discrete thing that you could, you could...
Jackie Thomson 28:01
Yeah, we could, we could actually hone it down. And he was willing, you know, he wanted rid of it. So he was willing to do the work. So yeah.
Martin Furber 28:13
So we've got two hypnotherapists in the same house then, and you're both attracting a different clientele. So you're not competing with each other?
Jackie Thomson 28:22
No, no,
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:24
I don't, I don't think hypnotists really have that much competition. We just, different people come to us.
Martin Furber 28:30
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're talking about this last time when we have Denise, I remember a conversation about male or female clients, which one would they choose, and this, that and the other side, we had a huge discussion about why certain people would choose each one of us.
Jackie Thomson 28:47
Yeah, and that's interesting, because with Mark and I, and not just with the hypnotherapy, but with everything we do, somebody comes to me, and I think they're a better fit with him. Yeah, I'll say, Well, I think you know, you would do well with him, because he has that experience. And he does the same with me. So, you know, we're not in competition, and neither of us are in competition with anybody around in the area. You know, we welcome everybody, because different people are attracted to different therapists for whatever reason.
Martin Furber 29:20
Absolutely. Yeah. As I say, that was the bones of a conversation we had last week. That you know, people do choose people don't they, the end of the day? Yeah. Where do you see yourself going forward? Jackie, in terms of the direction with the hypnotherapy, you mentioned something about you, you and Mark have now got a retreat where you have people there for wellness weekends and that kind of thing. Do you see yourself doing more of that?
Jackie Thomson 29:45
Yes. I also feel there's a real need for making some of this more available for people in terms of cost as well. So I am I run programmes, I run group courses online, because that makes it more affordable for people. But I'm also actually going to, going to, I am, putting together some online courses. So people can do those in their own time at a much reduced cost and make it more accessible.
Martin Furber 30:28
Jackie, we're at the end of the episode.
Jackie Thomson 30:31
Brilliant.
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:32
Okay, so quick, because you didn't get the chance to advertise your wares. You must tell us the name of your practice. And make sure, you don't have to say it all out now. We'll put it in the show notes. I just want to make sure that people know that they can approach you because you work on Zoom so they can reach out from wherever they are. And you do offer these retreats on a regular basis?
Jackie Thomson 30:58
Yeah, so not generally just hypnotherapy, to be fair, but you know, there will be elements of hypnotherapy included, but they're usually on a theme. You know, the beauty within or, you know,
Martin Furber 31:13
People can find out more about this on your website can they Jackie?
Martin Furber 31:13
Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:13
Well, we'll definitely be...
Martin Furber 31:14
We'll put all of that in the in the show notes, and people can find out more about you, the kind of hypnotherapy do and all about your retreats as well.
Jackie Thomson 31:26
Lovely. Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:29
Thanks so much. Great to see you again.
Martin Furber 31:33
Great to see you looking so well. And thanks for joining us and say hello to Mark. Maybe we'll get him on as a guest at some point. Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:41
(Whispers) Don't tell them Martin didn't know!
Martin Furber 31:42
No. I just haven't computed it. I'm getting old Jackie.
Jackie Thomson 31:51
Not as old as me, you're alright!
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:55
Okay dear, see you soon. Thank you.
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:05
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Martin Furber 32:20
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