Denise Billen-Mejia 0:07
Welcome to Two hypnotherapists talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia in Delaware, USA.
Martin Furber 0:13
And me Martin Furber in Preston UK.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:16
This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who'd like to know more about fascinating subject of hypnosis and the benefits it offers.
Martin Furber 0:24
I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and psychotherapist,
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:27
I'm a retired medical doctor turned consulting hypnotist.
Martin Furber 0:31
We are two hypnotherapists talking.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:34
So let's get on with the episode. So, Martin, should we get on with the episode?
Martin Furber 0:37
We will indeed and we've got a very special stateside guest with us today Denise.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:42
We do, my old tutor. I say old very affectionately. Ilha Brock, who's joining us from California today. Hi Ilha.
Ilah Brock 0:52
Hi everyone.
Martin Furber 0:55
Welcome to the programme as we were just saying, I'm in England. it's the evening. Denise is on the East coast. It's afternoon and you're West it's morning still.
Ilah Brock 1:04
Yep. still drinking coffee. still drinking my coffee.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:10
So you recently relocated, fairly recently relocated, to Central Valley right?
Ilah Brock 1:17
From Los Angeles. Yes.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:22
What was? Did that affect your business?
Ilah Brock 1:26
I actually had, well, first, I wasn't gonna let it okay. Some, I started doing more zoom was there weren't a lot of people wanting to see a Hypnotherapist. So they were reluctant, and some would come in, because they were sensing as the year progressed during the 2020. But I met a man, I met a boy. And during, towards the September of 2020. And it was just a match made in heaven. Anyway, he lives in the Central Valley of California and I'm in a little town called Visalia. Yeah, it's about an hour south of Fresno. About an hour and a half north of Bakersfield in the county of Tulare in the county seat, Visalia and the Tulare area is one of the largest, if not the largest producer for the walnuts and almonds for the nation. It's all here. And a lot of vineyards. Now, because of water shortages, the lot of land is being eaten up by developments, which doesn't make sense. There's a water shortage. Why would they build more housing? It's like, but were like a central hub to LA or to the what do they call the valley up in the San Francisco area?
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:54
The bay I think,
Ilah Brock 2:58
There's another has a word for it, but I can't remember. But anyway,
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:00
Silicone Valley? No, that's further up.
Ilah Brock 3:03
So they're about three hours north of me and LA is about three hours south of me. So I'm happily in the middle. That's where my children are in LA. So that makes it kind of nice to have this little happy medium. It's a cute little town. And I wasn't sure if it was going to fly with hypnoherapy. So here it is. Two years ago, I either had to go get a J O B or start my own business and I decided to just, I was encouraged by my boyfriend. His name is Mike. I love Mike. Anyway, it was because of him. I moved up here. It was kind of playing the Gypsy there for a while. Business wasn't booming in LA like it had at the very beginning when I had finished my residency. I anyway, it was just a big cluster of things that were happening. I moved up here I decided to go ahead and go for it. And I've been prospering very well.
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:00
So you have a weekly show, radio show?
Ilah Brock 4:04
I have I have a weekly live podcast that I do actually Thursdays. It's most things hypnosis, I don't even know what I'm talking about today, probably about scope of practice. We'll probably get more of what you're up to today just because that just seems to be coming...
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:21
Very, very dear to my heart as you well know.
Martin Furber 4:25
We, don't usually know what we're talking about, any week, do we Denise?
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:31
We do not know that of which we will speak, we do know about what we're speaking, we're just don't know what's happening.
Ilah Brock 4:37
Yeah, exactly, so I'm thinking, one of the things that I had to really get a hold of and it made my practice easier is just stay in your scope of practice, Ilah, you don't have to go beyond your scope. You don't have to go below your scope. So I might be including that a little bit today's little segment and then I have an appointment tonight. Mind, I'm going to be busy all day today. I squeezed this in like 'Yeah, I have time'. But enough about that, but yeah, today it's gonna be a fun busy day.
Martin Furber 5:08
So tell me, Ilah, are the majority of your clients male or female? Or is it a pretty even split?
Ilah Brock 5:15
Well, it depends. Okay, so probably half and half between male and female. Yeah, and of the men probably 20 25% are gay. I was complimented that I make a great Gay-Hag. So the gay men love me, because like, that's their term not mine. And I, you know, it's great and they, I don't know it's just friendly I guess to that orientation whatever you want to call it.
Martin Furber 5:49
Well, we can sense when we're welcome you know.
Ilah Brock 5:53
Great, you know, and I don't, I don't, it's funny because that's not, my background has always been to just be so judging. And then when I went to HMI, Hypnosis Motivation Institute, some of you don't know what that is, in Tarzana, California anyway. They, learned, I learned a lot about not being judgey. I was like, taken aback when Denise met me. I had just been coming out of that all judgmental, I mean, we all have a bias
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:20
Of course, it's unconscious. And sometimes when you realise it, you can deal with it.
Martin Furber 6:25
Absolutely.
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:27
What is what is your real background Ilah?
Ilah Brock 6:30
My real background like childhood like background?
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:34
Yeah, I mean, you don't have to go into tremendous detail, Were you born in california?
Ilah Brock 6:39
I was raised in the Los Angeles Basin called Azusa, which is in the San Gabriel Valley. That's where I was raised. And then I lived in Texas from like age 12 to 15. And then from 15 to 18, I lived in Northern Nevada and a little town down in the middle of nowhere. The absolute absolute part part, like think of Little House on the Prairie. Remote, it's, it's a little town called Silver Springs. It's about an hour and a half south of Reno, about 40 miles east of Carson City up in northern Nevada. So I was there until I was 18. So I came back to California, and I've been back ever since. And that's been 40 some years - ish. Yeah, whatever. But yeah, that was my background. But you know, it's interesting how I learned a lot, just becoming a therapist, I mean to just clear my own self.
Martin Furber 7:38
Yeah, we all do. And this is the thing, isn't it, we all have our own window on the world, our own frame of reference. And even if you look at your frame of reference now perhaps to when you were, say, 20 years old. Your view of the world, how you viewed politics, how you viewed life, how you viewed authority, whatever, it will have changed, it will have moved. With some people, it's a lot, with some people, it's a little.
Ilah Brock 8:02
Oh, five years ago, my hope was, well, you would not have liked me very much. Well, six or seven years ago, yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:10
Before you met me because you me pushing six years ago.
Ilah Brock 8:15
Yeah, it was. Yeah. Not a very, not a very pleasant person to be around.
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:20
How did you how did you originally because obviously, you don't have time. A: because a we don't really have time in a half hour interview. But also you've got a client coming up Martin's got a client coming up. So let's get this on the road. You had a professional career, or were you the student?
Ilah Brock 8:37
Yeah. I have. There's a couple of things. I'm kind of a jack of all trades, master of none. But I was in property. My ex husband said that everybody learns things, either from many different places or from one place. He's the kind of guy that learned all of his life lessons from one working in the same place. He's worked out for like 38 years now and I've had many different jobs but I taught for 20 years in Christian School. I am a sign language interpreter. I did that for a while and I still do once in a while as needed. I still advocate for the Deaf. I was attending law school when I found hypnotherapy. It was, like I thought I would be a lawyer, just be the deaf person's lawyer. And that's what I thought my calling was. I love law. But after I found hypnotherapy. I still Yeah, I went for the tour at HMI, signed on the dotted line that same day, called the law school the next day and said, I got us on sabbatical for an undetermined amount of time. I've never looked back.
Martin Furber 9:43
So where did your passion for working with deaf people come in Ilah?
Ilah Brock 9:47
Yeah. What's interesting, it wasn't really a beginning passion. What had happened, I was in church and the lady who was the interpreter at the time. She and her husband were moving, and there was one deaf girl, it's a very large church. You know nott huge, huge, but a pretty, pretty decent congregation on a Sunday, about 1000 people. And so but there was one deaf girl in the whole church in that area, and then this lady would be her interpreter. So she offered a class to see if anybody would be interested in taking over her job interpreting for this little girl. So 14 of us took the class and seven of us finished, it was this like a 12 week class thing and I got in and got hooked and I thought this is pretty cool. So then I went to El Camino College in Torrance, California, which their interpreter training programme is kind of what started interpreter training across the country back in the mid 70s. So I took, go to the best right, and I started taking all the interpreting classes there. And there were a couple I didn't finish when I learned that I didn't... To be certified, a Certified Deaf Interpreter, interpreter for the Deaf, if you will. I wasn't, I didn't have to have the certification from college. Anybody can go and get certified. Yeah, you just got to be able to pass the test. So I took a bunch of classes, I probably have maybe two left, if I wanted to go back. I didn't take the certification because it does have a high failure rate. And I realised that I don't, it's American Sign Language. I don't sign American Sign Language. Most deaf don't. Anyway, I just became enamoured by the idea that I can actually talk to the Deaf. they can read my sign, I can communicate with them. And they love it. They love it. When I see someone who's deaf. I just walk up to them. Hi, my name is Ilag, and I'm a sign language, a sign language interpreter, how are you, you know, that kind of thing. And they just love it. They feel it. So I'm jumping into their world and because they're forced into ours.
Martin Furber 10:07
Okay, so is that British Sign Language you're doing then?
Ilah Brock 12:01
No, no, no, no. Now there's a lot of similarities because American Sign Language did come from France. What we have is from there. So there's a lot of borrowed signs, we could do a whole show on sign language, it's so interesting.
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:15
That would be great. But you said that most deaf people in America don't use American Sign Language. Is that a static thing? And it's just morphed like language?
Ilah Brock 12:25
Yeah, American Sign Language is a foreign language as syntaxes are all different. Just the grammar all of it's different, but the Deaf that I've come across very few are actually ASL. A lot of them are what we call see-sign, signing exact English or conceptually accurate signed English. Or just a mixture of messy sign language. You know, so long as you understand it all it's fine. And sometimes you it's like you can add words in that may not need to be there. It's and you become a walking thesaurus because I did a lot of simultaneous interpreting over the years, which is my favourite kind of interpreting.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:07
Does that affect your hypnosis, seeing as this is a hypnosis show?
Ilah Brock 13:10
Oh, this is great!
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:12
Can you use it in your hypnosis?
Martin Furber 13:14
Now this, I've been dying to hear.
Ilah Brock 13:17
Like, oh, my God, this is so great. So in hypnotic, you know, in my practice, a lot of hypnotherapists use scripts to do for hypnosis, I hate scripts. I'll use a script. And I've got 1000s of them, but I will never read them verbatim. Because most of the people who write them, write them, those are their words. But I can take a script that I've never read before. And this is where my sign language practising because I have to hear it, put it on my finger hear it, and it's a constant, right? So I have this ability that I think I developed. Because of that. Even today, the gal is testing and came in for testing anxiety. And we did a little cognitive thing. And then I plugged it into hypnosis. But I wanted to do a little more than that. So I grabbed a script from a company, just like I had 20 minutes before she showed up. I never had a chance to read it. And I just kind of went for it, you know, but I have the ability to read ahead while I'm talking. Because that's kind of what I learned when I was doing my slides. So that gift, or that that skill set. It's like I had that I can change things on the spot. You know, there I'm recording it. I'm there laying in the recliner. And I'm just like getting ready to say something and the one thing we have in the gift of hypnosis is time.
Martin Furber 14:50
So I'm trying to visualise this now Ilah, the client obviously needs, I'm guessing needs to keep their eyes open all the time then?
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:57
She's talking about using those techniques when she has a hearing person. If you had a deaf client, how would it work?
Ilah Brock 15:04
Well, the deaf are afraid, the deaf are definitely afraid to come in. And I've offered free sessions to deaf, I want them to know that they can be hypnotised too. There's very little information, academic information. Even on YouTube, you won't find a lot of people you have to know sign language. But the thing with that, but I've already got it in my head, how it'll work. If I ever do get a deaf person. It is called Tactical sign. The Deaf like Helen Keller, she had tactical, so everything she did was by touch. So I would set up with the client who is deaf. If they want their eyes closed, we would do tactical signs. We'd have to practice it, or they can be hypnotised eyes open, they won't go as deep as somebody who is with their eyes closed or hearing because a lot of it, but they can be, they can go into trance. It's just learning how to do it. And I would gladly give a deaf person free sessions just for me to practice with them. And for them to know that they have the ability to enjoy this
Martin Furber 15:04
Well we'll put that in the show notes for sure. Yeah, yeah.
Ilah Brock 16:17
Call me my number's on the screen. Just give me a call. We'll do it over zoom. No problem.
Martin Furber 16:28
So talking of which, do you have a lot of face to face clients nowadays, or is most of your work on Zoom?
Ilah Brock 16:32
Most of my clients are face to face. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, few there. I haven't done a zoom client in several months. I offer it, but the people like the in person thing. Yeah. And there's, you know, there's quite a few people between Fresno and Bakersfield where I'm at, they they don't mind the drive. Okay.
Martin Furber 16:55
This is there's no big deal in driving 30 or 40 miles over there is there?
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:00
Not if you want to go anywhere!
Ilah Brock 17:04
It's funny because in Los Angeles, it takes an hour to go to Los Angeles from Los Angeles. I used to live one mile away from HMI. And it would sometimes take me 20 minutes to get to the school from where I lived.
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:21
You could have walked faster.
Ilah Brock 17:22
Yeah, and it's yeah, pretty much. So, here, where I'm at, I realised, you know, having lived in that forever. Right. Now I'm here in this little town. It's got city, I'm a city girl. I can't give up my city. I have to have my city. But so I have enough city and enough country to just get that balance. But no matter where I'm at, in my city, I'm no more than 15 minutes away from anywhere I need to be even in traffic.
Martin Furber 17:52
I know. LA traffic. I remember when I was there. And somebody said to me, Hey, why don't you hire a car? It was like, NO!
Ilah Brock 17:59
It's yeah, it's it's a great, it's crazy. The last time I was in LA was about a year ago. And I was on my way to Long Beach to go visit a friend. And we were now in West LA, right, almost downtown. And I'm like, I can't it's another hour and a half. Just to get to Long Beach if I can get there in an hour and a half. But I have to be back. Yeah, it's crazy.
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:23
Although LA itself does have public transportation there. It's a very rare Californian that doesn't drive a car. Do you see a lot of driving clients? or fear of driving?
Ilah Brock 18:34
Oh my gosh, yes. A lot of fear of driving. Yes. It's interesting you ask that, last year I noticed in about an eight month period, there were about seven or eight men who contacted me. And I call it SODA sudden onset driving anxiety. Right, it was so weird because these men all had, and they don't know each other, they're all from different parts of the area. But it's almost like all of a sudden they have this driving anxiety. They've been always been able to get up and just go now they can't even go to the hardware store. And it was just like it hit them. Suddenly. Every one of them hit them suddenly.
Martin Furber 19:15
Denise has done a lot of work lately with people we driving anxiety.
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:18
Yeah, I have one lady who it's been a problem for her for 30 years. And it's been getting, it's sort of globalising, so initially she didn't like going them highway, then she doesn't like driving people around, and currently she came to me her therapist referred her because it was globalising, and she didn't like being a passenger anymore, and she wasn't sure she would ever get on a plane again. It was just you know, growing but we're actually having a fair fair amount of success. The first person it was a sudden fear of driving over bridges, a full blown panic attack. And he doesn't know where it came from. He'd had a problem with it 20 years before, had it fixed, and suddenly it came back.
Ilah Brock 20:02
I gotcha, I gotcha, I totally understand.
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:04
You, most of your outreach to the population is through your audio, through your podcast?
Ilah Brock 20:10
No, I don't get a lot of outreach on my podcast, I just keep doing it as a legacy to my kids. And if somebody watches it great. But my referrals are definitely one of the, that and just some social media, and then my SEO on my Facebook, that referrals are what's happening right now. I don't use, I have a referral service that I've been using for years, and I hardly use them at all anymore. It's like, I just, people are calling me up, so and so referred me, and I'm having people refer me that I've never met, they just see a social media post. And they go to my website, and they check me out and I get phone calls. You know, so yeah, I'm, it's, I am the number one premier hypnotherapist in the Central Valley.
Martin Furber 20:59
Wow, all in a couple of years.
Ilah Brock 21:02
In a couple. Well, not everybody. There's a lot of us out here, but not everybody's marketing themselves.
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:08
So there's a lot of there are a huge number of people that train as hypnotists and don't use it as a profession, which is fine because it's a really useful skill. I teach all my clients to hypnotise themselves. I wouldn't want them to go hang a shingle and try and hypnotise the rest of the world. But the basic skills you're teaching your clients and so if you want to take the big picture and use it for yourself, that's fine, too. Do you work five days a week, or do you...?
Ilah Brock 21:34
I'm here, well, like this weekend, I'll be here a little bit this week. I don't have any clients this weekend. I think probably because of the holiday coming up. Yeah, but usually I'll have clients on the weekends.
Ilah Brock 21:47
You haven't had anyboduy with fireworks fobias?
Ilah Brock 21:50
No, nothing. No. It's like, they usually I think people who have firework fears, they're usually just hiding. I do have a client who blew his hand off with a firework a little over a year ago that I've been helping.
Denise Billen-Mejia 22:07
Were you seeing him for pain or for fear?
Ilah Brock 22:10
More it's it's trying to get out of his own head. He keeps waking up everyday thinking it was just a bad dream. Yeah, he's learning to accept where he's at. And such and now it's, it's like it's created a whole new set of issues, which will if you don't need to make any decisions on this issue, just put it aside for now. Let's just work on the ones you can change and work on. And so that I think helped a lot. And my boyfriend made him one of those boxes. It's a mirror box.
Denise Billen-Mejia 22:41
Oh right, so he can see the otehr hand?
Ilah Brock 22:43
He has that phantom clench syndrome with his hand you know, so I just, put your hand in the mirror, in the box. So one side has the mirror so it sees the other hand you know, and your brain thinks that, it's because it's got the mirror it thinks that that's your hand. And the idea is to help it if you do it a lot, it will help it release the idea. So you know, if you do have one, use it if it's causing problems and it really can help that phantom stuff go away.
Martin Furber 23:17
Yeah, we were talking about Phantom Pain weren't we, a few episodes ago Denise.
Ilah Brock 23:26
That, and I'm learning about it. But there's amazing things you get to learn in this the areas that I would never have dreamed I'd be working in. I'm now working in hypnotherapy it's like, oh, I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. Now I'm doing it. Now I'm doing it. It's like.
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:43
Like me, I said I'd never see a smoker.
Ilah Brock 23:47
That's my number one client!
Martin Furber 23:53
What's the favourite type of work you like to do Ilah? What's the favourite?
Ilah Brock 23:56
My favourite, I like work. I didn't think I would. But I do love working with people who want to quit smoking. And people who are in anxiety. I don't know what it is. Usually, when they're coming to me and they're not sure what they're anxious about, aside from some some trauma, but it's like within a couple of sessions, they feel like a million bucks. It's like, you know, and cataracts are right behind the eyes. Yeah. So I kind of attributed my own little cataract of the brain. So hypnosis can help clear and laser off those cataracts and all of a sudden you get to see where you didn't get to see before.
Martin Furber 24:39
Yeah, that's a great metaphor, I like that.
Ilah Brock 24:42
Yeah, so it's what happened with me. When I saw my Hypnotherapist. It's like, whoa, what just happened?
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:50
Yeah, you have your own. Did you want to talk about your own personal metamorphosis courtesy of hypnosis, it's very similar to Martin's.
Ilah Brock 25:01
Oh yeah, I went and saw one, when I was in a very bad place. I had acquired a condition called anosmia and ageusia, the inability to smell or taste.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:13
And this way way, pre-coved.
Ilah Brock 25:15
Seven years ago, okay.
Martin Furber 25:17
Way before it was fashionable.
Ilah Brock 25:18
Yes, So I I had a fever and it did it fried my olfactory nerves predominantly. And so I have like a 2% factor for smell and zero factor for taste. But anyway, I was just in a really bad place. Eating Disorder trying to figure out how to will myself into tasting again, I didn't know how much that would affect me. Two of your senses are gone now. And yeah. Anyway, I saw a hypnotherapist, more for anxiety, I didn't tell him I had this condition, not for a while. Anyway, that first session was like, Whoa, what is this? Now I'm in law school studying for what's called the Baby bar. And I'm, that's my job. Property Management study for the Baby bar. That's all I'm doing. And like all I can do is, when I go to see Jake, we love Jake. When I go to see Jake, I'm just what is this? How come it's working? I don't understand. Tell me more about the subconscious mind. Many emails during the week between sessions asked me and finally he's like, stop, go to the school I did and get just go check it out. And so I did and that's where it kind of all started for me. I'm like, whoa. So I was amazed that just, oh, this is a thing. You know, so it became a thing.
Martin Furber 26:42
Oh, yeah, there was there was no bigger cynic than me about this kind of thing really, until it worked for me. Absolutely.
Ilah Brock 26:51
It's amazing.
Martin Furber 26:53
I would say I used to be very, very dismissive of such things.
Ilah Brock 26:59
It's the word hypnosis. It's got a bad stigma. Yeah. And if I use the word trance a lot.
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:06
Because it's a natural phenomena.
Martin Furber 27:08
And we all go into trance all the time.
Ilah Brock 27:10
Oh, environmental trance happens all the time. You get in the zone. Whatever your book you're reading or the movie you're watching or the car you're driving.
Martin Furber 27:19
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, this this is how we can you know, we can be that engrossed in a book and somebody will knock at the front door and we'll jump out of our skin because we're that absorbed in what we're doing, we're that focused.
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:30
If you're really focused you don't even hear them.
Ilah Brock 27:33
Yeah, oblivious, just oblivious, whatever. Yeah, that's kind of how I explain it. You're in a daydreaming state you know, just let it go. Let it rip. Just be you know, all what do they call it? Just be, let your mind wander. Yeah. And some people have that one of the hardest challenges is helping somebody who has no visuality, they can't visualise.
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:58
But there's so many other ways of imagination working.
Ilah Brock 28:00
exactly Oh, no. And I think they can they just didn't realise it. One of the tests I give them when they say they can't, is just close your eyes and count the windows in your house.
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:13
That's similar to his, which is just imagine your front door.
Martin Furber 28:16
I asked them to tell me about their front door, and what colour is it? Where's the mailbox actually? In whatever way you visualise you just visualised it.
Ilah Brock 28:27
Exactly. Exactly. That kind of thing. So that would, that just, they smile when they went, Oh, see the windows?
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:40
It's like when we when you talk to people about their creativity. 'I don't have any creativity'. We're talking about your imagination. I don't have any imagination. It's these are limiting beliefs. And we can help you with that too. Yeah, we are running out of time because both of you have to get organised for two o'clock appointments. So yeah, right. Do you have anything specific you would like to leave for our viewers and listeners that you would like to say. You're not worried about the, don't worry about the you know how to reach you, that'll be in the show notes.
Ilah Brock 29:14
Pursue your passion? Yeah, it I reinvented myself after I was 50 years old. That was in 2014. That was 50. And so do the math right. Whatever your passion is and find your purpose in life and how are you going to do that? Go see Hypnotherapist! Seriously, they will help you identify whatever your blocks are resistance but pursue your passion. I can't. It's like it's and if you're retired, like my boyfriend's retired, he didn't pursue his passion and career. He's pursuing his passion in retirement, you know, doing more of the things he loves to do. And so that, you know, just do those things and then, you know, supportive of it or set it. I didn't know what my path I didn't do a lot of things when I was married, and I was raising kids and all that, you know, mostly it was church related and just very everything was church or church. And so not that I'm against church folks or anything like that, just got a little PTSD when it comes to them. Spiritual PTSD, if you will. But pursue your passions and don't. It's like I had to learn to I can make decisions based on how they affect me. and not others. It's not about me first. It's about me, too. Yeah. Yeah, I wrote that down.
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:36
I'm a people, too!
Martin Furber 30:37
I like, I like that. I mean, you're right about the age thing as well. I've obviously from what you've just said, I've worked it out. I'm exactly the same age as you. And my lightbulb moment when I changed careers was roughly the same time might have been a couple of years after you
Ilah Brock 30:53
Reinventing, reinventing and bloom where you're planted. So this is where I'm planted in the universe right now and loving every minute of it.
Martin Furber 31:01
Yeah, in the California sunshine, you lucky thing.
Ilah Brock 31:04
Oh, yeah, they got about 90 100 degrees today.
Martin Furber 31:08
We're about 60 Over here, in farenheight.
Ilah Brock 31:12
Oh nice. Well, I don't mind the cool. But like, right, like, you know, I have my AC at 78. I've got my little fan sitting here. This keeps me cool. So I don't have to turn on my AC any cooler than it is, it's very expensive.
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:31
If anybody who who's listening, it's highly unlikely anybody listening would be deaf. But if anybody listening has family members or anybody else, please call Ilah, or write to her, or however communicate with Ilah because she would really love to work with the deaf community.
Martin Furber 31:52
Yeah, and all Ilah's contact details will be in the show notes.
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:57
Thank you so much. Yeah. Back to your sunshine.
Ilah Brock 32:03
Right. Take care of you guys. Thank you so much for having me.
Martin Furber 32:06
Thank you so much.
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:07
Thank you. Bye bye.
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:16
We hope you've enjoyed listening. Please remember, this podcast is designed to give you an insight into therapeutic hypnosis, and is for educational purposes only to remember, consult with your own healthcare professional if you think something you've heard may apply to you or a loved one.
Martin Furber 32:33
If you found this episode useful, you can apply for free continuing professional development or CME credits. Using the link provided in the show notes. Feel free to contact either of us through the links in the show notes. Join us again next week.
