Denise Billen-Mejia 0:07
Welcome to Two hypnotherapists talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia Delaware, USA.
Martin Furber 0:13
And me Martin Furber in Preston UK.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:16
This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about fascinating subject of hypnosis, and the benefits that it offers.
Martin Furber 0:24
I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and psychotherapist,
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:27
I'm a retired medical doctor turned consulting hypnotist.
Martin Furber 0:31
We are two hypnotherapists talking.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:34
So let's get on with the episode.
Martin Furber 0:36
Let's get on with the show indeed Denise. How are you?
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:40
Good, thank you. That's fun. Sorry, we're laughing about something that happened just a minute ago. Okay. This is interesting, because we decided that we were going to talk about mental health, it comes up a lot in hypnosis, or with hypnotherapists talking to each other, mental health comes up a lot. But we also mentioned the fact that so many people with mental health issues, but most people don't call and say I'm really too happy. And obviously, somebody who's in a manic phase, perhaps is too happy. But they need help, because they don't want to go spending all their money, but just how useful that is. And also, people can appear so happy and bubbly, and so, always smiling, and yet inside they're absolutely curled up in a ball, it's just their way they present themselves to the world.
Martin Furber 1:39
I mean, people say what does depression look like? And you think instantly of a sad person may be, a withdrawn person, whereas depression can be somebody who completely looks okay. But that is an effort they have to make all the time. Because they are you know, depressed, they are clinically depressed.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:58
That actually could be so ingrained in them that they don't realise they are unhappy, or that is anything other than the usual human condition.
Martin Furber 2:07
Yeah, I mean, I suppose, what's happiness? It's subjective, isn't it?
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:11
Yeah.
Martin Furber 2:13
I mean, yeah, I mean, there we go. We'll go off on a tangent already. When you get that expression, you know, they're happy being miserable.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:19
Yes. That's when you're talking about it of course. Yeah, there are some people get a lot of mileage out of that. But so okay, this conversation is sparked by Martin, having, or will have had, by the time you're watching this, he will have completed this course, but he's been taking yet another training course. And why don't you explain what you've picked up in this course Martin? And how it was significantly from the others?
Martin Furber 2:49
No, it's about teaching people to be Mental Health. First Aiders, over here in the UK. We've got Mental Health First Aid England. It started in Australia. I don't know if you've got it there in the States, actually.
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:00
Not a phrase I had heard. I will, I certainly haven't come across it. Yeah. I'll look more assiduously.
Martin Furber 3:07
Yeah, so I deliver their training courses, teaching people to be Mental Health First Aiders, but it was just, it concentrates a lot on the stigma around mental health. You know, the fact that if you had a broken ankle and walked in somewhere, somebody would ask you quite happily about it, Ooh what happened to your ankle Denise? You know, or you'd be quite happy to talk about it to somebody whereas if you weren't feeling too good emotionally, mentally, maybe you would go in on yourself and not talk about it so readily. And it's that stigma, isn't it? That is attached to talking about our mental health and well being. And I just wanted to talk a bit about that today. Because there's also stigma with hypnotherapy. and hypnosis isn't there?
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:51
But most because it's a self selected group that called me to talk to me about hypnosis. They're interested in the subject.
Martin Furber 3:59
Yeah, true, true. But how many more would call you if, you know, there wasn't that stigma attached to it?
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:06
Yeah, well, there's the stigma of oh, that's just woowoo nonsense, it's not real science, it doesn't really help, take a pill. Um, yeah, but I'm getting more people who are, are coming to me, having been suggested that they see a hypnotist, by the therapist or by their own doctor. Not enough yet, I think more people should be recommending this, but not again, always underlining, not as a substitute for real, for professional medical help, but as an additional therapy or additional aid.
Martin Furber 4:45
In the same way that somebody could, a medical professional, ie, a doctor or psychiatrist may recommend somebody to see a CBT therapist.
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:54
Yeah, exactly.
Martin Furber 4:55
In that same way a CBT therapist doesn't analyse or diagnose or prescribe and neither do we.
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:04
So, how, how? Not quite sure where to take this because most of the people who are watching us, are fellow hypnotherapists.
Martin Furber 5:17
Well, we don't know that.
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:19
Well, we don't know of course. But currently, the people who have talked to us about our show, have been other hypnotherapists. A few friends and yeah, but oh, so you have a lot of podcasts out there. Did you know 90% of them make less than four episodes? Some huge number!
Martin Furber 5:41
Yes, yeah. Because I think most people expect it to come rolling in, and here's us on the fourth series. You know, with still a very small audience, but nevertheless.
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:50
But I would like to point out we're not planning on monetising it ever. That's not gonna roll in, it's not gonna happen.
Martin Furber 5:56
I know, that was agreed in stone at the outset, wasn't it?
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:59
It was indeed.
Martin Furber 6:01
No, but you actually raised an interesting point there, Denise. Okay. Talking about therapies, and referrals, etc. One of the first things that was said to me, at hypno college was, people generally try hypnotherapy after they've tried everything else.
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:18
Yeah. Except the people who've tried it before for something else. And then of course, that leads to them.
Martin Furber 6:24
Yeah, but usually it's a last resort thing, because it's not up there in terms of being pushed. I mean, it's over here now, it's on the NHS website as a recommend treatment for IBS, amongst other things. But it's, not the first thing that springs to people's mind, is it?
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:43
No of course not.
Martin Furber 6:47
Then again, if somebody goes to see their doctor, and the doctor says all, I think you need therapy, the doctor is most likely, I would imagine to recommend CBT.
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:58
Yes, although, there's a lot of, we have a lot of different labels for different varieties of treatment here. Not all therapists, would use, I mean, many, therapists would you CBT, that same therapist may use another modality for a different presentation,
Martin Furber 7:15
Would they say use EMDR, for example?
Denise Billen-Mejia 7:18
Yeah. And that's often sort of, you do the CBT stuff for a while. And then you say, well, it's not shifting it fast enough. Let's do EMDR for a short time. And that's usually, it's a very rapid, when it works. And we both have opinions on that.
Martin Furber 7:35
Yeah, well, I think EMDR is fabulous, but it's hypnotherapy in my mind.
Denise Billen-Mejia 7:40
That's what most hypnotherapists think. Yes. Yeah, it's, um, there's a lot of things that we do, that having a shoulder to cry on, you may not need therapy, depending on, was there a sudden some sad event that happened? But if you have generally, or baseline if you're, if you've always had a tendency to be down, then you know, it's a good idea if you know, the cat died last night, and you're crying today. Okay, fine. But if you're still crying three weeks later, maybe it's time to talk to your doctor about whether or not you should you need to address mental health in a different way.
Martin Furber 8:29
Yeah. Or maybe grief counselling. Somebody can explain the different stages of grief to you. For somebody who perhaps lives on their own, they're pet is their family, and the loss can be devastating.
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:42
Oh, no, I'm not suggesting it isn't. But that's the thing. It's not pathology, to feel sad when something bad happens. But at some point, you have to correct for that, and you have to live a different way. So it's, it's when you're within that, and although there may be pet owners who disagree with me, generally, I believe, that grief over the loss of a pet, is a briefer thing than grief of the loss of a spouse or a child or a close friend. But all of those things have, there is a point at which, your general mental health should have been able to help you cope and move through that cycle of grief.
Martin Furber 9:26
Yeah, I mean, this is about resilience, though, isn't it? The ability to bounce back. If we sort of engage in mentally healthy behaviour most of the time, and look after our minds like we look after our bodies, or like we should look after our bodies, ans spend some time with self care, we are more resilient, we're able to bounce back quicker, aren't we?
Denise Billen-Mejia 9:48
Right? But you can't bounce back until the issue is over. In this country that's getting that word is getting a bad rap within physician communities. Physicians have a very high suicide rate.
Martin Furber 9:59
Hmm here too.
Denise Billen-Mejia 9:59
Compared to the general population. Yeah. And a lot of what we're told, well, by my friends who are still practising are told is, oh you need more resilience. No, if you keep hitting me over the head with the thing that's making me miserable, I can't bounce back. Resilience is, episode happens - episode is gone, and you're still feeling bad, then yes, you do need to build up some resilience.
Martin Furber 10:25
Yeah. You're talking about a chronic condition whereby this thing is going on and on and on. Yeah, they need to address the cause of the issue then don't they.
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:33
Exactly. And some of it, you may not have a great deal of control over.
Martin Furber 10:38
Absolutely, yeah. Mind you, the doctors over here at trying to get more control at the moment. They've all been on strike this week.
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:45
Now you know, when we recorded this! Unless there have been more strikes since we've been speaking. Was there a resolution to that?
Martin Furber 10:53
Not yet. It's still going because it's stalemate, because the government have said they've made their final offer. And whereas the doctors are saying, no, oyu haven't we want more. So but I think it was this week when the consultants and the junior doctors were out on strike at the same time. We've been just a skeleton emergency service,
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:13
Which shows you how serious people are, even when we've had health care strikes somebody, they haven't been very bad. There's a huge one going on right now. But when I was in training, all the nurses went out on strike, depending on which union you belonged to. All the nurses, and all our attending level physicians or consultants, were working on the floors, you know with bedpans and giving medicines to people and things because we needed it. It's very rare to see that level of action.
Martin Furber 11:45
Weel, you know that's never happened in this country with you know, consultants and junior doctors on strike at the same time. So it was World Mental Health Day, on October the 10th. Okay, we were talking about stigma and things and we know hypnotherapy can help with certain mental health conditions. At which point, I will let you add in your...
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:11
My disclaimer, yeah, yoeah make sure you speak to speak to a physician before you go get treatment for something you think is pathological. Yeah, and now all my all my clients, I have to have the okay to talk to their doctor, no matter what they come to me for, because they want to learn to skip better. I want to make sure they don't have some other thing that might be a problem.
Martin Furber 12:31
Yeah, true. And you live in a litigious society.
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:34
Very litigious, but also, the selfish side of that is because I want more doctors to realise that hypnotherapy is useful. So the more doctors realise that their patients are seeing hypnotherapists, and the hypnotherapist can report back to them or the patient can report back to their doctor that yes, it helped, or it didn't, but it was yeah, it was really, strangely, I drink less coffee, you know, whatever. Because there's always a tit for tat thing. It's, I've had a lot of patients where things, Denise! clients! I've had clients who have had a couple of sessions, and it just doesn't work. Mostly those are the people who think it's going to be instant, perhaps, like one lady who had, like, 20 years ago, she saw somebody for fear of flying. And it was it was one of those, saw somebody, problem fixed, never any more. So she had something else, a completely different mental issue, with which she decided she'd look at hypnotherapy. And there's no reason not to. But she felt it wasn't working. But she was lovely. And she caught me up and she said, Please, when the next time you're in the area come in for coffee, let's talk. Yeah, they're happy. She just really felt, she didn't feel it helped, because it helped her get the, the stigma for the issue she was dealing with, and so she's able to tell people that she's having that issue without fear. And that in itself helped. So you know, I don't I don't feel it was a failure. But it isn't necessarily, you know, fear of public speaking. Become Toastmaster top-winner for the year you know, it's not necessarily that spectacular. The thing is, it does help some aspects of your health anyway, just talking to someone.
Martin Furber 14:25
Yeah, because it'll bring that stress bucket down, won't it? If you have a conversation with anybody for an hour and you feel better after that conversation, you it's done you some good.
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:35
Which is why we like to start our week having a chat!
Martin Furber 14:40
Well, you were saying about referrals, and this, that and the other. I mean, for me, it's the other way around. I don't have to notify the doctor, they notify me, because it's psychiatrists who refer clients to me as a therapy, you know.
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:55
Personally, that's an ideal setup because as you know, I think of us as 'Hypnology'. Hypnosis technicians, you know, we're not diagnosing it, but we're providing a service that is likely to be extremely useful. It may not be the end of the issue, but it helps.
Martin Furber 15:16
Yeah, but it's the same. If somebody goes to hospital with a broken leg and sees the doctor, the doctor then refers them to a... What's the word - technician?
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:25
Are you thinking of physical therapy? Or you're thinking of no X rays?
Martin Furber 15:29
No, I'm thinking of the one who puts the plaster on.
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:32
Oh, yes. I don't know what they're called. So often here, it's usually, most orthopaedic surgeons, health physicians,
Martin Furber 15:40
Orthopaedic Technician!
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:41
Okay. That is, we haven't got that label here yet. As far as I know, I have not seen that yet. But yes, I mean, that's it you can have. It's, I don't want to make it sound like I disrespect my own choice of second career. But we're part of a network of people, who help our clients / patients.
Martin Furber 16:05
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So I'm part of that network, as I say,
Denise Billen-Mejia 16:08
I think and you can cut it out, if you disagree, but I think you should explain the setup. 'Set up'! sounds like it's fraud! Setup, you, you were noticed by somebody in your community. And now you have that relationship with the clinic. So you want to sort of explain that to people in case it gives anybody who's got a clinic a bright idea! Yeah that might be good.
Martin Furber 16:33
Yeah, I work within a private psychiatric clinic. So there's nine consultant psychiatrists who work there, and therapists in all different kinds of modalities. And the psychiatrists may or may not decide that part of somebody's treatment programme will involve one of those therapies, whether it be CBT EMDR, or hypnotherapy. If they decide, you know, hypnotherapy is something for their patient, they then refer on to me for X, Y, Z number of sessions, and I then refer them back to the psychiatrist, so they see the psychiatrist on an ongoing basis anyway, perhaps every eight weeks,
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:15
Just as you would if you start them on new medicine. You check in with him and see how they were doing.
Martin Furber 17:22
So yeah, so that's how that works. As I say, that's slightly different from you, who has to notify, or chooses to notify a client's GP.
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:30
I've had a few directly from, directly from their physician, more people who've been told by a doctor in the past, you should see a Hypnotherapist. And they suddenly find me like two years later, partly because I just moved here. And there isn't that link. I've only got my card in with a few people who then will refer. Again, with the stigma it tends to be, Oh, you do smoking? Oh, you do weight loss? Yeah. Other things too! Other things help with mental health helps. And this can help with how you, how you approach your illness.
Martin Furber 18:05
Yeah, I mean, again, I'm trying to look at it from, trying to play devil's advocate here, and look at this from a different point of view. You go to see your doctor about something, your medical doctor, and the doctor says, Oh, why don't you try hypnotherapy? Now, if you, because of the stigma attached, and if you are of that opinion, it's like, going to see your medical doctor, your GP who then says, Oh, why don't you go and see the witch doctor down the street?
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:29
Yes. But I think that the average patient, the most common number of patients would be, my doctor thinks it's a real thing. That's good. Now, I will have Yes, it does help, and that's the, it means that they're going to approach it with less, less...
Martin Furber 18:49
Cynicism
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:51
And there you go. That's a good word.
Martin Furber 18:53
Cynicism. Yeah, that's about the biggest one I'll come out with today.
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:58
I have to hypnotise you get over your vocabulary issues. You know lots and lots of words Martin.
Martin Furber 19:04
Yeah, not as many as you you've got an ology. But no, seriously, though, getting back to what we're talking about that stigma of mental health and this, that and the other. I think this is where people sometimes, you know, have a difficulty differentiating between what is mental health and what is poor mental health? Or what is even mental ill health. You know, because we all have mental health don't we.
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:33
Well, obviously, because it's part of all health. Yeah, I mean, really, really, our physical existence on this planet, is everything around that is to do with your health.
Martin Furber 19:45
Yeah, absolutely. But,
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:48
What definitions do you use for those three things?
Martin Furber 19:51
Well, for me personally, I always say mental health is how we think and how we feel.
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:55
Okay. All right. So if you have mental ill Health, how would you define that? Is that somebody with a diagnosable disease?
Martin Furber 20:04
Yeah, mental ill health is somebody who's got a diagnosis, mental poor health, can be any of us if we're not in a good place.
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:12
So somebody, if you're using your definition, mental ill health, say bipolar or schizophrenic, those are always the go-to diagnosis. But there are many others, that it can be well controlled, but it never goes away. Or the potential for causing you a problem doesn't go away. You may be in great control, just as a diabetic, even with perfect control of their sugar, still has diabetes.
Martin Furber 20:39
It can suddenly go right off the scale.
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:41
Yeah, and you need to make sure you continue taking your meds properly, and do all the other things.
Martin Furber 20:47
Yeah, yeah. Now we talk about sort of mental ill health, you can have a diagnosis of mental health, or something like I know, like the old go-to favourite, bipolar or something like that. But you can be in a great place, you can be thriving mentally, you can be mentally healthy for years and years and years.
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:06
Yeah, or you may just know your illness well enough to know when you need to pull back from people and do all the things that will ultimately make you better. It isn't like, oh, I should go and take a pill today. Boom. Now I'm all fixed. It isn't like that, it is a cycle.
Martin Furber 21:23
Yeah, it is, and when people work with mental health professionals, then they know that especially somebody like bipolar, they know the cycle of it, and they have plans in place for when things aren't so good, who to contact and what to do about it. Because it's one of those conditions that over a period of years it starts to follow patterns and people recognise the warning signs don't they. It's the same as someone who suffers with migraines, they recognise the warning signs coming up.
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:51
Yeah, exactly. Actually, just realising I'm being very careful about talking about bipolar. But I have a friend who is very vocal and has her own podcast about oh, we've talked about it. Yeah. My good friend Liz Traynor look for her with her podcast, which is mind surfer MD. She was diagnosed with bipolar disease type one. When she was 16. She takes her meds, she sees her therapist, she respects her disease. And she is a physician who went through residency training. And she is a pathologist. But she now talks very openly about the honesty get rid of the stigma.
Martin Furber 22:33
Yeah, I'm just gonna say brings us back to stigma, doesn't it? I've forgotten about Liz. I'd forgotten about her. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's a perfect example of somebody with a diagnosed mental illness who's thriving. Yeah, yeah. Helping others.
Denise Billen-Mejia 22:46
Yeah. But she also has, she knows that it's never... Oh, who knows? There can be miracles anytime, but she knows when she goes quiet. And I don't hear from her for a while. You just, sure. Oh, yeah. I was just, you know, she's she goes to work. She can function at that. But she knows that she can't do anything else at that time. And so she doesn't. And then when her cycle's done, she comes back. You know, she's very happy. Yeah. I don't mean she's manic, like I mean
Martin Furber 23:17
Bad choice of words there Denise!
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:21
And she's very active when she, once that period is gone. I have another friend, who I won't name, another friend who also has so she is bipolar, and she has a hard time in the winter. The sun going away, the fact that both her parents died over Christmas, different Christmases, and quite a long time ago, but she knows that she's going to have a dip at that time. Yeah. So she watches for it and she takes some medicines. And hypnosis is not going to fix bipolar disease. But
Martin Furber 23:57
It can help reduce the stress though.
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:59
And we can help reframe things, but you have to work very much hand in hand with the psychiatrists.
Martin Furber 24:04
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, that is, that's a perfect example of where hypnosis is really helpful. Reframing something, which for those who don't realise means how we think about something, how we feel about something. If we reframe it, and it can reduce the stress as well, because let's face it, stress can in certain cases, bring on or exacerbate an episode can't it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:28
Exactly.
Martin Furber 24:29
So I mean, if somebody, again, it's like, if people have regular things to look after their physical well being, they may exercise daily. They may take the dog for a walk every day, they may go for a run twice a week, people have different ways. And all those things are good for your mental health as well. But people don't necessarily think of what can I do to look after my mental health on an ongoing basis.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:52
But remember, physical activity is known provably to help with mental health in general, particularly depression, anxiety.
Martin Furber 25:02
Yeah, absolutely. Because the minute you start exercising, you start generating those feel good things don't you? Endorphins and dopamine things. I was writing about that this week as well. Because yeah, when when we're out for a walk and we spot something nice like a squirrel when it comes, yes, we get a little nice ooh feeling, don't we?
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:24
Yeah. Which is another one of the techniques that you use in your therapy, which is think of three good things that happened today. And they can be tiny, tiny things.
Martin Furber 25:33
They can be the tiniest things.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:35
Yes. Right.
Martin Furber 25:36
Because, you have to go back in your mind, to think of them. You have to root out through that mental filing cabinet, what's happened that day. And in doing so, you're of course, you're in that left prefrontal cortex, you tone down the other side. But yeah, it's the little tiny things. It's if somebody with a really grumpy face holds a shop door open for you, and you weren't expecting them to, you feel good in that second.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:01
Even if they look grumpy atcha?
Martin Furber 26:03
Yeah, even if they look grumpy at you, but they've done something nice. You feel good. You feel, we all like people to do nice things for us. It makes us feel valued. It makes us feel good.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:12
Yeah, actually, your use of the term grumpy face, reminds me apart from the fact that women in particular who maybe deep in thought about something certainly might not look very happy. Getting told to smile, which is very triggering for some of us. But, but it's infectious. And we also need to be remember, you don't know what somebody else is going through. You don't know what might be, what that face might be about, it might be because they're thinking about finishing their taxes when they get home. Or it might be their cat died or or they are just in a bad mood. Or maybe that's their natural default.
Martin Furber 26:54
Their natural default expression.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:55
It doesn't mean
Martin Furber 26:56
Yeah, well, I get told this a lot because my normal default face as it were. I'm not smiling. I don't have a smiley face. When I'm walking round, doing my own thing, I think I'm... You know...Yeah, yeah. So my default position is to look miserable, but I'm not! Talking of infectious. Here we go now, all over the place with the conversation as usual. Doctor's opinion why is yanwing so infectious?
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:24
Why is yawning? I don't know but it is. Yeah. Laughing is?
Martin Furber 27:30
Yeah. Laughing is as well. Yeah. Yeah. But yawning it's one of those things, this is when we talk about the levels at which hypnotherapy works, for example, at levels we don't quite yet understand. Because there you go, you're a doctor, you can't explain why yawning is infectious. And I'm sorry for throwing you on the spot with that one.
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:47
And you don't have to watch it, because now I have a deep need to yawn just because you said the word. Of course it's
Martin Furber 27:56
But we have senses that we don't understand fully, don't we?
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:00
And that's fine. We can work around them. You know, I don't drive but I sit in cars all the time. I don't worry about how they're working. I don't worry if I hear funny noises. But there is something to be said for understanding how your body works. But you don't have to dwell on it too much. It doesn't need you to understand it. It needs you to respect it and pay attention. When it's telling you something, if you're having a pain, figure out why, no matter where that pain is or what is coming. You know, Pain is pain is information.
Martin Furber 28:35
Yeah, it is, isn't it? It's telling you something's wrong.
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:39
Yeah. And this is another reason that we make sure that people check with their physician.
Martin Furber 28:44
Absolutely.
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:45
Before they, Yeah, I'm gonna get rid of this pain for you.
Martin Furber 28:49
Yeah, well, I mean, again, that's another thing though, isn't it? I think you've had a few referrals for back pain from doctors, haven't you?
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:57
Yes, and migraine.
Martin Furber 28:59
Becasue one of the great mysteries. I mean, people can only take so many painkillers, especially the opioid types without loss of function. And a lot of people will see their doctor and the doctor will say, Yeah, try therapy, try hypnotherapy. Because, I mean, we had the episode, didn't we, with Dr. Sue Peacock. Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:59
Who, reminder, she is a psychologist. Yes. A health psychologist, not a physician.
Martin Furber 29:27
But she went into great detail to explain exactly how we register pain in our minds. And how hypnotherapy can help with that. Which, by the way, if you're watching this, have a look through the back episodes. Dr. Sue Peacock. She was fairly early on. She was series one or series two.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:46
I thought so. Yeah.
Martin Furber 29:48
Yeah, and we're on series four, and we're at the end of another show, Denise.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:53
All right. If you have any comments, please tell us. You can write to either Martin or Me
Martin Furber 30:00
Yeah, if you like eavesdropping in our weekly conversation that goes all over the place.
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:05
They only see every other weekly, because we talk anyway. But yes, end of another one. Okay.
Martin Furber 30:11
And we've got a guest on next week with us. So I'll see you then.
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:14
All right, bye.
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:24
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Martin Furber 30:40
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