Denise Billen-Mejia 0:07
Welcome to Two hypnotherapists talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia in Delaware, USA.
Martin Furber 0:13
And me Martin Furber in Preston UK.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:16
This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who'd like to know more about fascinating subject of hypnosis, and the benefits that it offers.
Martin Furber 0:24
I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and psychotherapist,
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:27
I'm a retired medical doctor and consulting hypnotist.
Martin Furber 0:31
We are two hypnotherapists talking.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:34
So let's get on with the episode,
Martin Furber 0:36
Episode 11. Denise, we're here. We're back, what are we talking about this week.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:41
I think we're just talking about all the changes that people have to make in their lives and how they how they can help themselves by using hypnosis.
Martin Furber 0:52
Yeah. Or what kind of resistance they have to change.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:56
Right. Right. Well, we all know we've got resistance to change. Possibly because we don't realise change is actually possible. You know, I'm too old to do this now. I'm too set in my ways, but for something you really want, you're not.
Martin Furber 1:12
Yeah, but also, I mean, we do perceive change as a threat, don't we? Subconsciousl?
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:19
Of course, of course, because your subconscious wants you to stay exactly the way you are, because I know what's going on? Not out of malice in any way.
Martin Furber 1:28
I always say it about depression, you know, when people are depressed, and they stay in bed, and they pull a rug over their head. And you know, if that's what kept them safe one day, they're just tempted to repeat the process the next day, even though they know their miserable, it's not doing them any good, really. The mind tries to protect us, doesn't it by...
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:49
Of course, and it doesn't have to be as dramatic as that. I think most people if they were able to think because if you're seriously depressed, it's really hard without another party helping you. Helping you to recognise that there's hope. Which is outside our scope, because that is when a psychologist or psychiatrist comes in. But once somebody knows that they wanted to you and you before when we obviously we have a little bit of a conversation about what we're going to talk about. You mentioned that weight loss is one of the biggest, it's here we are at the end of the year, people are all going to be trying to lose weight and a few months.
Martin Furber 2:28
Or before! Drop a dress size for Christmas.
Speaker 2 2:30
Well, you don't do you talk about on Thanksgiving days, that won't work, but it does make you think about it. But it is something that you feel like you're being sabotaged. And obviously since you're the one that controls what goes into your mouth, it is you that's doing the sabotaging, why?
Martin Furber 2:50
Well, yeah, we're risking of going off Freudian here, aren't we in analysis, etc. But it's one of those things.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:55
He was a hypnotist, that's okay.
Martin Furber 2:56
It's one of those things thought isn't it. Because I mean, every single weight loss client I've ever spoke with, or weight management client I've ever spoke with, they all say I want to lose weight, I want to eat less, I want to do more exercise. So I say, go and do it, then.
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:12
Yeah.
Martin Furber 3:13
Because logically you want to do but what is it then, as I say, the risk of going all Freudian, and sort of start to analyse the... it's the subconscious things, isn't it? It's the things I always find, it's the things we do automatically, without thinking about them first.
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:28
So so how now as a solution focused therapist, you don't do, you know, regressing back to cause, where, what, how do you handle those negative voices that people have? You will always be fat, you know, you'll...The things that we hear. Oh, is this gonna go wrong again, anyway, I might as well eat the cake.
Martin Furber 3:50
Well, that turning off the chatter, that turning off the chatter that's, you know, part of, I would imagine the kind of hypnotherapy you do as well, isn't it? To get in the clients mind quiet, turning off that inner narrative,
Unknown Speaker 4:04
Right, but you have to acknowledge what the narrative is.
Martin Furber 4:07
Oh, absolutely, yeah, yeah. But we can change that inner narrative. I mean, I dare say our our methods are very, very similar in that respect, part of the trance session includes, you know, altering that inner narrative, altering that conversation you have with yourself, and, you know, instilling some self belief, some self confidence.
Speaker 2 4:07
So you think the resistance is just, you have resistance to everything. If you've been doing Xand you want intellectually to do Y you're subconsciously, somehow feeling let's stay here in the safe and now.
Martin Furber 4:34
Yeah, because it's exactly, because it perceives that change, even good change as a threat. I mean, even when we've got some good change coming up, like for example, we're getting married, you know, think of something really joyous, something that's supposed to be a really joyous time of our lives, or we're having a baby.
Speaker 2 4:59
I think some of that, is that, in order to grasp this thing, you have to let go of that thing, if you're gonna get married, you are no longer single, if you're going to have a baby, you're no longer a couple, usually, who you know, it takes away a certain amount of your freedom to do what you really want to do. So I think some of it's that, that isn't necessarily negative is just choosing between you cannot have everything all at the same time.
Martin Furber 5:22
No, no, I mean somebody I know recently had a baby and I was having a conversation with them. They were talking about change. And I said, well, to my mind, I don't have children. What's on my mind, the biggest change would be you can never again, leave the house without thinking, what about the baby? I mean at the moment, and now if I want to just pop out to the shops and go and get something, I just pop out to the shops and get something. If I had a baby, it would be very, very different. You've either got to arrange for somebody to come and sit with the baby or you've got to pack everything up into these big bags.
Speaker 2 5:54
It's the packing everything up. Grabbing the kid is easy. But all the things that go with it.
Martin Furber 6:00
Yeah, but it's like, you know, that is change, isn't it? In the extreme. I mean, I must admit, I would find it incredibly overwhelming.
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:11
And it will go along for a good many years. It's not just the baby stage.
Martin Furber 6:15
Yeah, till about 30, isn't it? Apparently.
Speaker 2 6:19
It seems to be getting more each year. But however, that's a slightly different issue. Yeah, I suppose.
Martin Furber 6:28
I mean, that resistance could be rooted in a sort of like that fear of the unknown, isn't it?
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:32
Yes. Or whatever change you make is going to be worse than what you've got already. That's that's the..
Martin Furber 6:41
rMmm I mean part of what I do though, in my processes, if someone is coming about weight loss, for example, is get them to really visualise what life will be like when they have reached that ideal weight. And really visualise it and describe it in detail. And in that way, we start to ingrain it in the subconscious. You've got to get it into their belief systems. But if you're talking about that thing, where people say, No, I'll always be fat, or no I'll have the piece of cake, Sod it! Nevermind, that's a change of mindset, isn't it? I mean, if you've ever found this with people, they may have been dieting or losing weight for a month, and then they fall off the wagon. Usually that's their terms, they'll use and that they'll overeat for two or three days. And then they get to this stage of, oh sod it, and they revert straight back to type. Whereas, if you can alter the mindset, it's like so okay, you over ate for two or three days, it doesn't undo the other 30 - Jump back on!
Speaker 2 7:44
And there's also a difference in, I didn't expect this to all be about weight. But weight is kind of different. Because you know what you're supposed to eat, intellectually, most people do, and they know why they want to do it. So why, is it knowing that you can't make the change? It's not, you can't be thin. You can't stick to it. It's that message from probably from childhood.
Martin Furber 8:17
Possibly. Yeah, possibly. And again, it's you know, the there are so many things aren't there's so many reasons why it can happen. I mean, everything that we've ever heard, that's gone into us, that's put negative thoughts in there or negative beliefs.
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:30
And the positive ones go in there too. Don't blame parents for everything!
Martin Furber 8:36
I'm not! I never mentioned parents!
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:39
We know that's where the well, the person that brings you up, is the person that gets a good few years to put those thoughts in.
Martin Furber 8:46
I never mentioned parents, it could have been teachers. Yeah, but I mean, weight's just one example. There's all kinds of change that we could consciously want. But then we lacked the confidence to go ahead with it and the subconscious things. We feel holding us back, for example, somebody who is in a particular job, a particular career, but would really want to do something else, and has the capability of doing so. Okay, you know that they have the capability to be able to train for it or to study for it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 9:25
You mean you can't start, you can't hypnotise me and I can't go be an astronaut. outside of the realm of possibility.
Martin Furber 9:32
No, but I could hypnotise you to explore the possibility bit more, and then realise why you can't be an astronaut.
Denise Billen-Mejia 9:38
OK, that's fair.
Martin Furber 9:43
No, but it's, for example, somebody wants to, I don't know, let me think of something right off the top of my head, say somebody is a nurse and she's decided she actually wants to be a lawyer instead. And she's got an aptitude for studying and yes, she's perfectly capable of studying and getting that law degree, but something might be holding them back from saying no, no, you know, you can't be a lawyer, you can't do that, she may have some doubts that she couldn't do it, or he could have some doubts that they couldn't do it. You know, really consciously they want to do that, they're capable of doing that. So it's, I would say it's working out what those other inner things are which are holding them back. What that resistance is, what the cause of that resistance is.
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:24
Yeah. And there could be a million different reasons, you may feel that they've, they've presented themselves as a nurse for so long that they cannot present themselves as anything else. It could be that in some deep recesses of their mind, they believe that lawyers are charlatans. There's all sorts of things that it could be.
Martin Furber 10:43
Yeah, and there's that imposter syndrome thing as well, isn't there, when you change careers?
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:50
Yep, and a lot of people have it when they're not even changing, when they're just trying to grow within that career.
Martin Furber 10:55
Yeah, I'm just casting my mind back now, from when I made a big switch from being a jeweller, to being a therapist. You know, the imposter monster got me many times,
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:06
I think it would have gotten most people. When physicians, I certainly know that we end up, I hear a lot of doctors talking about it, because, you know, they want to go into a leadership position, or they want to open their own practice some aspect of that career, even though they're excellent at what they do. They still feel oh, people will start pointing fingers at me.
Martin Furber 11:28
Yeah. I mean, that's a different scale, but that's how I felt switching from one career to another, especially later in life.
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:36
Actually, there was, I told you this yesterday, I was on a call, several 100 people on the call, that we were asked to do an exercise regarding money. And so we were asked to just think about what we wanted. And what were the little voices in our head that were telling us not to do it and one person came up with getting too big for your britches. That yes, that is a huge one, you know, that sort of, I can't make more money than my dad did. Or you know, that somehow people will be offended.
Martin Furber 12:08
Well again, well, those are subconscious things, aren't they? Yeah. I I cast my mind back again. Going back to when I was a djeweller. There was a particularly good creative, excellent jeweller who I knew, and a colleague within the trade, and they, I'm not gonna say gender, because I don't want to give anything away or identify anybody. They kept resisting, promoting themselves and their work, because their belief system didn't allow for self promotion. And it was like, well, promote your products or find some other way because what you do is...
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:48
Hire somebody to do it!
Martin Furber 12:49
Yeah. What you do is fantastic and unique and more people need to know about it. They were 10 times a better jeweller than I would ever be. They know they were in a different league
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:01
Was that a little imposter sneaking in there just genuine...?
Martin Furber 13:04
No no, no, no genuine admiration. We have people that we aspire to be like when we're in whatever trade we're in. This was one of my heroes as it were, in terms of their capability.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:16
If I can just pull you up and you're entitled to edit this if you choose. You just said, I could never be, instead of, I'm miles from that goal right now is different from...
Martin Furber 13:29
Yeah, but I'm not in that trade anymore am I.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:29
Okay now. Yes now, but you're evaluating him when you still were. Him or her when you still were.
Martin Furber 13:37
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. No, no, no edits, no edits. This is the uncut version.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:43
This is how the subconscious works.
Martin Furber 13:45
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. analysing my language patterns, there we go. Yeah, no, this is good. This is good, actually. So, okay, we've talked about the subconscious mind and change then, and understanding the resistance. What about...
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:03
Well, what about it, well, how could that possibly be useful?
Martin Furber 14:08
Well, we can help with hypnosis in aligning our thoughts and beliefs to our capabilities. I'm just thinking about what we were just talking about then. Hypnosis can help with that can't it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:20
It can help with most things.
Martin Furber 14:22
If we want to do something, but we perhaps don't believe we can, on one level, but we do on another then hypnosis can certainly help bring all that together.
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:31
Yeah, it's true. And of course, that is really it's not that your subconscious is not being nice to you, but you haven't been able to so far. So let's not risk it, that's more of the conversation that has.
Martin Furber 14:42
Yeah, okay. What about somebody then who? Okay, we're not we're not talking weight loss here. We're talking general health and fitness. Okay. Somebody in a nine to five job who knows that they're getting a bit of middle aged spread, for example, and they want to be healthier in themselves
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:01
Not just nine to five, or sitting at a computer all day, I mean yeah, like me. Yeah. Okay,
Martin Furber 15:06
They've decided they want to just generally be healthier, they've already changed what they eat to a healthier mix, you know more coloured vegetables, extra fruit, that kind of thing. And they want to get moving a bit more. And they are physically capable of perhaps some light jogging or some very brisk walking, but they don't picture themselves doing that. They don't see that as being them, they don't see themselves as being that fit toned person. Again, is that a resistance to change?
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:42
I don't know because actually, is that just this is the way? Yeah, but do you have to, can you just want to walk because walking is good for you, without necessarily a particular goal. Because if you say well you know if I walked more I would lose a couple pounds a week, because that's after all what you should aim for, 2 pounds a week and probably have to restrict your diet a little bit in order to achieve that. But if you think of it just as I want to walk more because walking more is good for me rather than pinning it to a specific, sort of you know, I want to walk because it helps me be less depressed, it helps me, there's so many good benefits Oh, rather than having it to. That's a silly thing to say, like good benefits, benefits generally good!
Martin Furber 16:31
That's why they're called benefits!
Denise Billen-Mejia 16:32
Yeah, those are so strong that really in and of themselves I think that we should be, rather than pinning on I'll lose these two pounds because if you haven't lost two pounds at the end of the second, by the end of the second week, you would be slightly inclined to say oh what's the point and it's raining anyway, I don't want to go out.
Martin Furber 16:50
Yeah, yeah, no, it's very quite, when we think about it, resistance to change is, we all do it on some level though, right?
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:02
I've even got my, I really want to trim my business expenses. So I'm changing my mailing address that's on everything. As I look, it is a significant amount of money that I will save by doing this. And so I have started by but now I've got to actually go through every single place where my address appears. And it also makes me feel like, oh why don't just keep both of them for this year. Not a good move, to have more expense rather than less.
Martin Furber 17:35
Yeah, create yourself a load more work to do though, playing everybody no change of address. Right, addressing fear of change. How would you address it as a hypnotist?
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:47
Are you talking about something like Oh, my husband suddenly decided we're going to move to Australia. He hasn't by the way, but that kind of fear of change or a change which you have decided you want in yourself
Martin Furber 18:01
A change that somebody has decided they want, so I'm just trying to think of one that could be a situation for you, with one of your clients. Somebody came to you and said Denise I've got a job in the next state so I need to drive again. I can drive but I don't particularly like driving to drive. Yeah,
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:25
Yeah, that is quite frequent. Well, first of all you can brainstorm about how how you can get places without driving yourself. Whether that's a possibility,
Martin Furber 18:33
Let's assume they have to drive themselves though, and it's a necessary change but they have a fear of it. how would you?
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:40
Well that's, I mean there are a lot of different, there's a lot of different aspects to driving. Is it just they don't want to take the time? Is it that they're scared of traffic? But either way, I actually worked with several people for driving fears. Yeah, you just have to just start to imagine enjoying the journey.
Martin Furber 19:02
Hmm. It's funny actually, as a quick segue, not a plug for my columns, but I was writing about road rage this week, in one of the newspapers with it coming up to the Christmas season.
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:13
Exactly. Right. So it's lovely to think of driving on a nice spring morning but the idea of driving right now, with the weather changing, with crazy people on the roads, shouldn't use that term, with people on the road who are one singleminded.
Martin Furber 19:33
Angry, angry, people Yeah. What I said was though, set the mood right to begin with, play some relaxing music when you get in the car. Don't don't have radio, you know Waso waso on playing, you know, fast house music or something like that while you're driving. It's not going to calm the mind.
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:54
But do you use that as an anchor?
Martin Furber 19:57
No,
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:58
I don't want them to sit there and relax to the point they fall asleep.
Martin Furber 19:58
No, we just need to be relaxed and calm though, don't we? We don't want fast music which instils a faster heartbeat and that kind of thing. We don't want that while we're driving, you know, house music, that kind of thing.
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:16
Which is actually why instrumental's good.
Martin Furber 20:19
No, the other thing of course with road rage at this time of year is parking rage. That's an even bigger one.
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:24
It's a nice I haven't driven for years. I get about the world quite quite well thanks, thanks to ride sharing as they call it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:40
And you mean you can actually drive?
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:43
I drove for years.
Martin Furber 20:45
Well, that's a new one on me. You always said 'I don't drive'.
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:49
I don't drive. I did drive I came to America. Do you realise how much having a car is part of the equation?
Martin Furber 20:56
I didn't realise you can drive?
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:59
Well, no, I can't. Because I have, I wouldn't trust myself driving, I don't want to be hypnotised at 70 to, start driving. It's it would be silly. But But
Martin Furber 21:12
What are you resisting? You're resisting change!
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:15
No, I made the change when I stopped driving. Yeah, the thing is, that if there was some reason that I had to I know, the mechanics of steering an automatic car. Yeah, but why do people get frustrated? Is it because they want to park in a place? That's the perfect place and some other idiot chose to have it as well? Or is it they? You know, we have handicap parking? A lot of people who have less than physical handicaps tend to use them. What kind of rage happens back over there?
Martin Furber 21:56
Well, that kind of thing people parking in spaces, which they shouldn't be using. ie, disabled spaces or parents and baby spaces. That kind of thing. But one of my biggest gripes something, something that's sure to get my hackles on my neck is when some idiot parks across two parking spaces. That makes my blood boil. It's just inconsiderate.
Denise Billen-Mejia 22:28
Yeah. On though, you don't know what the parking situation was when they pulled into that space? They might not have had good choice available to them. If everybody in the row's doing that.
Martin Furber 22:39
Yeah, yeah. But when you generally though, when you get somebody in a large car parked across two spaces, etc. It's the arrogance of it. I think, you know, you got to squeeze into the space, everybody. Everybody can only get into one space. But we have parking rage over here. Usually people fighting over spaces. inconsiderate parking people wanting to park near the shop door when it's chucking it down with rain. And that kind of thing. With generally a shortage of spaces over here. Yeah, you know, our town centres tend to have expensive car parks. So people may try and park on single yellows on the street or other places where they're able to park and then you get road rage there. Or parking rage.
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:24
Or parking ticket rage.
Martin Furber 23:25
Yeah, parking ticket rage. But yeah, we've diverted there, didn't we onto road rage. So yeah. Okay, what about if somebody came to you for change. And you help them to change.
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:44
Yeah.
Martin Furber 23:44
What about maintaining it? I don't want to go back to weight loss, because, you know, that's the obvious one. What about maintaining it?
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:50
Well actually it's generic, I've had several clients that they get, well what do I do if it comes back? Then you've got the audio, use the audio, and if it's not working for you just give me a call. I often will have just a call with somebody who thinks oh, it happened again. The thing happened again, is it going to come back full force? No, you're aware of it. And you know that you can be the way you were before?
Martin Furber 24:16
Yeah. Don't you think that they're planting their own posthypnotic suggestions though, by saying what if it comes back? I'm thinking fears and phobias now particularly. I say to them, it won't.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:31
That's good. It won't. I haven't had to happen yet. But maybe I have to think about my language when I'm talking. But the main thing is that somebody can always contact me again. Or while I'm breathing at least. I'm assuming there'll be other hypnotists available to them if I'm not around. But yeah, just knowing that you've. It's interesting too though, if you've made one change and you realise that you're capable of it, you can make so many other ones, and you don't need hypnosis to get to the other ones necessarily.
Martin Furber 25:05
No, because I think, my personal thoughts on this are, when you've helped somebody achieve some kind of change, that they wanted to achieve, that is significant to them, in the process of helping them achieve that, you know, the hypnosis sessions, the pre talks, everything adds to their mental resilience anyway, it adds to their mental strength. And yet it helps them realise that yes, I'm capable of doing this. And I think it invigorates them to take on other things and to do other things.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:44
I've done this, I can do that.
Martin Furber 25:46
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it, that's my feelings on it. And I think again, once people have battled through that resistance to change, on one thing, they can battle through it on other things. Yeah,
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:03
And the battle gets easier.
Martin Furber 26:04
Yeah. But also, that's when somebody says to me, how does it work? Because we're talking about hypnosis. That's the element of well, I couldn't really describe exactly how it works. But you'll know when it is working.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:17
Yes, yeah. And of course, this is slightly different for everybody. It's also sort of part of the thought process here is getting rapport before, I you don't mean to the hypnotist and say I want to move to Australia. I like travel, and, you know, have a hypnosis. You have to have a relationship. You have to, there's some Why do you want to move to Australia? It's a long way away.
Martin Furber 26:45
I mean, you've got to have a connection with the client to do any kind of meaningful work with them, I think,
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:52
Well, yeah, because why would their subconscious listen to a voice that they don't feel in sync with?
Martin Furber 26:56
Exactly, exactly. That's why with all my sessions, and before I do the full trance session with them, that's why I give them the recording, to listen to first to get them used to my voice. And I explain to them that very reason. You know, where I always say we're having this conversation now, and logically, this is what you want to do, but subconsciously you may find some resistance, I want your subconscious to get used to hearing my voice. Listen to this recording every night for the next week or fortnight, and I explain that to them. I also, do you use music on some of your recordings, don't you?
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:33
Yeah, I do.
Martin Furber 27:35
And I also explain to them that the music they hear is the same music they'll hear the next time they come in to see me and their mind will instantly recognise it as something they associate with safety and being in their own bed.
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:48
The difference there is I only use the music on recordings. I don;t use it in real life. There's only a certain number of things I can deal with at one time.
Martin Furber 27:59
Just thinking about it again, though, these are things I do to help them with that resistance to change. Without even without giving it a title, before we started talking today, but yeah, it's all about.
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:12
But that's hypnosis, everything that we do is change.
Martin Furber 28:16
It's change work, isn't it? Yeah, to use an expression you see dotted about here and there.
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:22
One of my major issues, you've lost your ear plug again. One of my major issues when I go shopping, is I hate self checkout. And sometimes it's the only option. And I really, if I've got one thing fine, but if it's more than that, I just I hate it. Very rarely do I actually stay and use it. I have many times walked out.
Martin Furber 28:49
I've done it in a certain, we can't mention brand names, can we. I did it in a certain place, I did it in Marks and Spencers. Okay, can you use the self checkout? I said no. If I want to use self checkouts, I'll shop at Tesco Express. Other brands are available. But I don't like self checkouts for many reasons. Having said that, I mean we're doing the full range of supermarkets. Now. If I go to Aldi, I don't want to be stuck behind somebody with a week's worth of shopping in their trolley when I've only grabbed a sandwich in my lunch break. So I'm glad they've got self checkouts as well. Yeah, they do have their uses I think for a quick purchase you know.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:33
You have the choice you can use it, or you stand in line. I'll stand in line, I won't be happy. I know if they're giving me even if it's you know, 57 self checkouts and one teller, I would prefer that if I've got one and if I've got one thing I probably will go through but no, this is not ruining my life now, but it is most I don't know where that's coming from. Well, it's resistance to change, but for what end, because there's usually something about, yeah, I'm comfortable with a teller.
Martin Furber 30:09
Maybe you just like to be spoken to by people and deal with people rather than a machine.
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:14
Or make sure, I think in the first place, I noticed them doing that more, was buying a ticket for the train, getting fewer and fewer ticket boxes, and more places where you've got to buy, yeah, that I don't want to buy the wrong thing.
Martin Furber 30:30
Well, talking of resisting change, there was a huge hoo-haw over here just a few weeks ago, you know, for that very reason. They were going to be closing down all the ticket offices at the train stations and making it all online or ticket machine only. There was a huge outcry, a huge resistance to change. And it worked, they're not closing them. They're not closing the ticket offices. So resisting change can be a good thing. Let me ask you something Denise then about supermarkets. A bit of hypnosis though, so cast your mind back, go back, go back in time. Okay. Go back, because you were brought up in England. Okay, and you're always announcing your age on here. So you'll remember when the self-service markets opened? Did you resist that change?
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:19
I don't remember self service in the UK. I'm only coming back and visiting when things change, but they were faster to go here. No, when I was growing up, you went to a shop and you stood at a counter and asked people to get you X, Y and Z.
Martin Furber 31:38
Exactly. So when you went self-service. I mean there must have been a huge resistance to that.
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:43
I don't know if there's a certain amount of that, that's quite useful. I think you can look oh, look, that one's cheaper. So that overrides. I think this so that the visualised change, that you're getting something cheaper than this one. Oh, I can buy a double size one, for only one and a half times the price.
Martin Furber 32:11
There must have been a huge resistance to the change when it happened from self surve, sorry, from counter service to self service, and the supermarkets, but people 10 years younger than me won't ever remember shops where everything was served over the counter. Even the corner shops are self service these days aren't they, apart from perhaps tobacco and liquor, which is behind the counter. But you know, the smallest of corner shops are self service days, there must have been a huge resistance then, but we got used to it. And I think it will be the same with the self checkouts. Oh, yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:44
I don't think anybody from the previous generation Millennials are particularly botherered about it, because they probably don't remember them not being there. But yeah, I think we should talk very briefly, because this episode is coming, the season is coming to a close. This is the last time we'll be here in sort of real life. We have one last person who is not a hypnotist herself, but has had close ties to the use of hypnotism for many years.
Martin Furber 33:12
And she's a doctor.
Denise Billen-Mejia 33:15
And she's a doctor. Yeah. And so she'll be on next week. And then
Martin Furber 33:19
So, next week's episode is two doctors and one Hypnotherapist. All right, so that's next week to look forward to. And then of course, we'd like to say we've got next season as well. So, for today, though, it's time for us to say tatty bye to our viewers and listeners.
Denise Billen-Mejia 33:37
And by the time this goes out, Thanksgiving will be over and the ramping up to Hanukkah and Christmas will be in full force.
Martin Furber 33:46
See on the next one.
Denise Billen-Mejia 33:48
Okay, bye dear.
Denise Billen-Mejia 33:57
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Martin Furber 34:13
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