Denise Billen-Mejia 0:07
Welcome to Two hypnotherapists talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia in Delaware, USA.
Martin Furber 0:13
And me Martin Furber in Preston UK.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:16
This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who'd like to know more about fascinating subject of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.
Martin Furber 0:24
I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and psychotherapist.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:27
I'm a retired medical doctor turned consulting hypnotist.
Martin Furber 0:31
We are two hypnotherapists talking.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:34
So let's get on with the episode.
Martin Furber 0:36
Okay, well, another episode Denise after our mental refresher break,
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:41
Yes. Why were you so busy?
Martin Furber 0:44
Why was I so busy because I putting a training course together with the charity that I also work for. And then Iwas very, very busy with hypnotherapy clients, and getting ready for lecturing on hypnotherapy in the summer.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:00
Oh, yes, that's right. A few things going on. Yeah, I was busy because I had a sudden splurge of clients, which I love. But I'm beginning to get more clients referred by their doctors, which is the whole point of my being in business anyway. To have more medical people realise it's very useful. Yeah. So, but a lot of them are coming to me, because they want to lose weight. And not the sort of, I want to get into a bikini by next week, that kind of people that want to spend three or four months, they know it's going to be a gradual process. And so I see those people once every week for 12 weeks, a fixed priced package, and then they get an audio whenever they need it. And we'll do a full session maybe twice. Because most of the time with that, I find this sort of hand-holding, and sort of putting the cart before the horse.
Martin Furber 1:52
Yeah, I guess it's a case of checking in with you sort of thing?
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:54
It is, it is a check-in as I call it, it's just to make sure they're feeling okay, that they're not having any other issues come up because we all know everything's multifaceted. Yeah.
Martin Furber 2:07
Yeah. I mean, what I was writing about last week, in one of the newspapers was this month, March, we're recording this in March, this month is when a lot of people come to see me, or people have come to see me, because of yet again, failed at their resolutions. We're only eight weeks ago from people making all those New Year's resolutions. And of course, one of the big ones is always weight loss, isn't it?
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:31
Exactly.
Martin Furber 2:33
So have any of your people been ones who have tried and failed at the resolutions? Or...
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:39
Probably several years in a row, Most of them, are, they haven't come and said that to me. But they called in January. Which I suspect is... Yeah, I and so they called in January, they got on-boarded early February. And they're, some of them are halfway through. Some of them have taken a slightly more circuitous route. So I've seen them every 10 days because of their schedules. But they know they can text anytime. And I think that they are all people who are our most of the people I've seen are genuinely realising that it is what they choose to do. And I've been using your catchphrase a whole bunch.
Martin Furber 3:25
Oh, well, which one? Eat what you like, but what you like can change?
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:30
Yeah, exactly. I use want but yes, exactly. And that, really is it. It's the gradually persuading yourself, that that isn't what you want to eat. And it really isn't. I mean, it's just because you've been addicted to it by society's...
Martin Furber 3:44
And therein lies the thing. You've just hit it right on the button, persuading yourself. Okay, because, as we all know, when people come to us to want to lose weight or to manage their weight, okay. Their logical side of their mind knows what they need to do.
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:02
Yeah.
Martin Furber 4:03
And they know what they want to do, it's just actually doing it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:08
Yes.
Martin Furber 4:08
And it's from several different things. One is breaking the habits, because things like sugar, sugary treats, highly processed, treats are made to taste so good and are so addictive in that sense,
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:20
And they stick it in things you wouldn't expect it to be in.
Martin Furber 4:23
Absolutely they do. So there's that. So there's getting away from those very, very processed foods, which are I mean, the term is moreish, isn't it, you just want more and more and more. There's something about them that never quite satisfies you. That's what I always find with processed foods or when I say always find it actually took me many, many years to find it out.
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:44
Actually, there will be some new people listening, you probably should give a little background on yourself if you can bear to, because you really know I'm a typical woman, I think. I have a lot of a lot of ups and downs. Ups and downs, but never really been in the really obese area where health problem occurs, probably, I should be paying more attention because as I get older, obviously those health problems accumulate.
Martin Furber 5:14
But also, as we get older, all of us, our metabolisms slows down does it not?
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:17
Exactly. Yeah. And the amount you want to climb mountains goes down too, you know. Want to go for a ten mile walk? NO! How about two?
Martin Furber 5:27
Yeah. Well, there you go, there's one for you. Does our metabolism slow down because we're exercising less, or do we exercise less because our metabolism slowed down?
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:36
That's an interesting, that's a chicken and egg issue.
Martin Furber 5:39
Is it a chicken and egg thing yeah?
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:40
Well, you do need to actually move in order to want to move, whether that's actually your metabolism or just your mental health? I don't know. So, when it was, yeah, why not? What was your? What was your moment when you said, Absolutely, I'm going to lose this weight. And it's actually going to happen this time,
Martin Furber 6:02
When I started to train to become a therapist.
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:05
Ah, when you found out how
Martin Furber 6:07
When I found out how I could have sort of persuade myself and that's why I giggled, you know, about five minutes ago when you said something about persuading yourself. And that's what it was a matter of, just changing my relationship with food, my perspective on it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:24
How many times do you think you had tried to lose weight?
Martin Furber 6:26
Oh, how long is a piece of string?
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:28
Was it every January?
Martin Furber 6:31
Every January, every March every June and September.
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:33
Okay, so it would be, so the problem is when you do that, you're reinforcing the fact that you're fat. And you know, you're just expect to, itcan't work. It won't work. I'll try it. But it won't really work. I know it won't work, which is the wrong message.
Martin Furber 6:47
Now it is that thing, for me anyway, for most of my clients, it's that thing of getting away from dieting, as in going on a weight loss diet. And moving away from that, because the minute you say, I am going on a diet, your subconscious hears, I'll be off a diet at some point. All the time you're planning away what you're going to eat at the end of this diet.
Denise Billen-Mejia 7:14
I did, one of my clients, I pulled her up a little bit the other day, she said, And when can I eaet that again? Ah, that's not what we're working on. We're working on what works for your body and what works for you. Because this is what you're going to be eating from now on. Yeah, well, I mean, obviously, you're gonna travel, you're going to be introduced to new foods, new recipes, but you need to be cognizant of that fact. And not slip. Because once you slip, you say , Oh, well, there's no point.
Martin Furber 7:42
Yeah, I mean, this is a, I'm very wary of saying that. No food is restricted. Okay. Sugar. I know, it's not been proven medically to be addictive in that sense. But it is.
Denise Billen-Mejia 7:56
Yeah. I don't think there'll be a doctor on the planet that would disagree.
Martin Furber 8:01
Yeah, well, no, there was a big documentary a few years ago on television on, like a 'World in Action' type programme.
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:07
That's because we use the word addiction colloquially, rather than medically.
Martin Furber 8:13
Yeah. So they were doing various tests to see is it addictive? As in, you know, as in the sense of a drug sort of thing? It was, the end result was No, I don't know, can't remember all the research that was quoted, you know me with research and figures and things. But basically, they said, No, it wasn't. Well, I would strongly disagree with that.
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:36
Plus there's sugar in everything.
Martin Furber 8:38
Oh, yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:38
So you never are completely without it. Because you need it anyway, you do need some glucose in your body. It just has to come in from more things,
Martin Furber 8:46
The brain is the biggest user of glucose, isn't it?
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:48
Yeah. Yeah.
Martin Furber 8:49
But we make that glucose from the other things we eat, you don't have anything we've processed or added?
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:57
Right. Now that potato, that's got sugar in it.Which is going to take a while for it to become glucose. So what was the, what was the point at which you realised you could use hypnosis to help you with that journey?
Martin Furber 9:11
As I say, when I started to explore the reasoning behind it, and why have I repeated this pattern so many times with gaining weight, losing weight, gaining the weight losing the weight?
Denise Billen-Mejia 9:21
Did you ever lose it completely? Did you ever feel during that up and down journey that you - Okay, I've arrived at this point now? Or you just went, oh okay.
Martin Furber 9:31
Yeah, yeah, quite a few times. But it would always come back on. And as it was coming back on, I'd be like, Oh, it doesn't matter about half a stone, it won't matter another half stone won't matter, sort of thing. Another size bigger trousers won't matter. Um, basically, I was super super stressed because of my previous career and also quite unhappy, overall. For me, I was a comfort food eater and big comfort food eater. If that was you know, some people turn to all kinds of things don't be to comfort themselves with. With me it was food. And all the usual social reasons, you know, food was used as a treat as child. Food was used as a congratulatory thing, food was used as a social thing. You know, and it was a turn to. It was a turn to thing. But what the point I was making was, I'm against saying to people, oh, you can eat anything, nothing is restricted. No, what I'm saying is, you can change what you like. That's the angle I would come from No, I don't truly believe that once you've been, once a person has been at the point where they are eating uncontrolled amounts of sugary processed food. That they can in the future, once they have lost the weight, eat that kind of sugary processed food. Yeah, I don't believe that's possible. I stand to be corrected if anybody wants to comment.
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:01
Well, Interesting. I know about you and your pineapple desires. I wouldn't call that n addiction but it's every day, right?
Martin Furber 11:10
Yeah, absolutely.
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:12
Yeah. And there's a fair amount of sugar in them, but it's in its natural state. Exactly. It's got a tremendous amount of fibre and it also helps you digest food. So yeah,
Martin Furber 11:20
Absolutely. No, no. Here's the other thing. I've gone off in a bit lately, and I've gone onto mangoes I sort of tend to float between the two.
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:28
Same thing very fibrous.
Martin Furber 11:29
Very fibrous, very sugary, naturally sugary and very expensive over here. Whereas pineapples are relatively cheap. They're only pound at Sainsbury's Aldi, Lidl all the places I shop at they'reeither 95p or a pound? Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:49
Okay, so how big are they? They sound like they should be very tiny ones.
Martin Furber 11:56
So they are dirt cheap, basically. And yeah, they satisfy that urge to sort of like stuf your face with a load of sweet stuff. withhout.
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:05
And they take a while to cut and eat.
Martin Furber 12:07
Yeah, that's the trick of preparing it yourself and that thing,
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:11
Do you prepare it to the point of service?
Martin Furber 12:15
Yes.
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:15
Okay, so that's another thing you get the pineapple out and yeah, yeah,
Martin Furber 12:20
That's the ritual. If I already prepared in the fridge ready, if I did it in the morning, when I was doing all the things and it was prepared ready to eat in the evening. It wouldn't do the same thing, as in that satisfying ritual. It's the same, I say to everybody who I advise on weight management, you must cook and prepare your own food or prepare and cook. Yes, of course when you're busy and you're working, there's nothing wrong with cooking ahead, or batch cooking if you're just cooking for yourself and freezing some et cetera, that's absolutely fine. I'm talking aboutthe leisurely thing in the evening having that pineapple to get up from watching the television, which I do.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:01
One of my my current clients has seen a nutritionist or a dietitian I don't remember which. But she refers to eating events. And we puzzled for quite a while, and I suddenly twigged. Oh, she means set the table sit at the table. Make it an actual event. You're eating dinner now. You're eating a snack now and not just mindlessly, it's all about being aware. Calories are everywhere.
Martin Furber 13:28
I mean, that's the thing. It must be the same in the States. Yeah, so thinking about it when I was over there. People eat in the street, same as they do in England.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:38
Oh, my goodness, when I was in school that was, you'd be reported for that, I a prefect saw you.
Martin Furber 13:43
Yeah, eating in the street. Yeah, but it's like I mean, there you go, how things change though, isn't it? You know, people do eat in the street over here. I have not been for years but the last time I went to France it was still quite frowned upon, you know, walking down the street eating something.
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:01
Because, they also have got that mindful, has be very thoughtful about what you eat and when you eat it.
Martin Furber 14:07
Yeah. Not so much in Belgium because they eat teh big bags of frites, walking down the street. But yeah, we do eat a lot in the street in England, maybe that's our busy lifestyle.
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:20
A big part is in the car here. You drive through pick up something that's called food and try and juggle the steering wheel by using your other hand. Yeah, yeah,
Martin Furber 14:33
I mean, well, we have drive throughs over here now. From the McDonald's, and I can understand the Starbucks drive thru coffee, because you want a coffee in the cup holder while you're driving along. I can understand the thing behind that. But again, it's like the other side of going to Starbucks and other brands are available. You're paying for the surroundings and the occasion, you know saying, yeah, I want a mindful coffee. Yeah, fine. If you want a coffee filled with marshmallows and fluffy bits and things, if you're going to sit down for an hour with it, make an occasion and socialise with your friend, great. If you're just getting one of those to shovet down your neck,
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:13
That's a charming thought, yeah, you just want a hit of caffeine.
Martin Furber 15:17
Yeah, you're getting a hit of caffeine, and you're getting a hell of a hit of sugar, and all the processed stuff in there as well.
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:21
If you, don't just by drip coffee, if you if you get a regular coffee, or just a regular expresso, without anything in it, they're remarkably little. Now caffeine does spike your sugar a little bit. So it can be an issue if you if you chug all day if you're really a caffeine fiend, but I just think when we were on long drives, because you can be on some really long drives in America, crossing a state. We would buy stuff from takeout places for the kids in part to keep them from fighting each other. Because they were children. I'm thinking when they were like five and six.
Martin Furber 16:03
Yeah, three boys do tend to fight with each other.
Denise Billen-Mejia 16:06
Yeah, yeah, but they're, they're well past that. And all of them cook well. But yeah, what do you think is the main takeaway for people? You think it's, it's that, you can decide you're gonna lose weight?
Martin Furber 16:24
I thought you meant my main takeaway food then! My main takeaway? Yeah, you've got to change your relationship with food. You got to change whatever it is you're using it for? Look at the reasons behind it. I mean, I have more or less maintained my weight now for the last few years. Except these last couple of months, I have been noticing a flaw in my eating habits, and I've got to take myself back into check. Because pineapples have been replaced by chocolate. Oh, yeah. Okay.
Denise Billen-Mejia 16:59
Is that it's chocolate, your stress food?
Martin Furber 17:01
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And then, it's made me want to eat other foods that isn't quite so good for me, that's been happening. That's the thing.
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:12
And it's not, and if you stress yourself, usually you're time stressed as well as stress-stressed.
Martin Furber 17:16
I have been very time stressed. And I have been under a lot of pressure. And I'm as human as the next person, even though I'm a hypnotherapist, I'm as human as the next person. And thankfully, this is one of those things. It's like, oh, those trousers getting a little bit tight. I need to keep this in check. Not oh, well, I'll go and buy a bigger pair. Which is what would have happened in the past.
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:37
Right. But you were so hugely successful. That's a really long journey you went on.
Martin Furber 17:40
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I lost nine stone in weight, which was how many pounds?
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:45
128? I think we decided yeah, yeah.
Martin Furber 17:50
Yeah, it's neither here nor there. It's just I noticed it creeping on. And I noticed I've got into some less than helpful habits again, let's say.
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:01
When you know that, when you notice that, what do you do? Do you listen to yourself telling yourself the right things? Or do you just okay?
Martin Furber 18:10
Yeah, absolutely. It's like, yeah, because I've kept it off for so long now. And I work so hard. But it is always there. Once you, once you've had these, I wouldn't say personality flaws. But once you've had these..
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:25
Human moments
Martin Furber 18:30
Once you have been clinically morbidly obese as I was, for many years, it never really leaves the back of your mind too much.
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:39
Well that threatened your life, significantly.
Martin Furber 18:42
Yeah, absolutely, it did, and as I say, you know, I've had to sort of have a word with myself yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:53
Well, what sorts of things do you put in place for? Because I was making a couple of audios yesterday so I'm noticing how I'm telling people to perceive themselves, imagine themselves at their preferred weight. I don't really like calling it your ideal because, No, it's at your healthy weight or the weight where you want to be, where you want to be. Yeah, so you're imagining yourself in trance and if you're got more, I was gonna say but I don't like the idea of like, I guess I most of my clients want to lose like, under 50. Very few, most of them 'I'd be happy with 10', I've done 10 Now I can go to the next thing. That's what's coming in, not I'm gonna lose 150 pounds by next week. No. But to her and to be able to build the ability you know if your mum just made you the best chocolate cake in the world and always was your favourite, and she went shopping special to have the ingredients, not that they're very complicated. Yeah, you don't want to be insulted because you can have a small slice of something. Yeah, even if there's a real medical reason for you not to eat Okay, but it has to be that keep it in restraints. And what I do tell the clients is that you're getting this audio and you're gonna get yours forever. You just, if you lose it, you can call me again. I'll try and find it in my record. But they can listen to it now and again, just to keep sort of topped up.
Martin Furber 20:21
Yeah. Do you know something? This is the thing with me. And this is a case of as you said before we came on air cobblers children. Because of my workload, this last couple of months, I have been neglecting certain aspects of my self-care, one of which is listening to my hypnotherapy recording. And even, you know, somebody like myself, trained in it. I've appreciated how easy it can be to slip back into old habits sometimes, because it's like, I really didn't feel I could unwind enough to enjoy the experience. So I didn't bother, and maybe I didn't bother the next day.
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:58
So, you do understand where your clients are coming from.
Martin Furber 21:00
Oh, absolutely. I've lived experience, I've been there. But as I say, my own habits have slipped the last couple of months. There we go! Let's let's show our human sides Denise, to our clients. Having said that, I can say I've had a word with myself. Getting back on track with everything again.
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:21
How long do you usually see clients for for coming to you for weight loss, you have a set programme?
Martin Furber 21:26
Six sessions, and that's generally, well up to now it's always been..
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:31
Once a week?
Martin Furber 21:33
Yeah, it's six sessions over about nine weeks. So it's a little bit yeah, the first three might be one week after the other then I'll space them out a little bit. Yeah, yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:45
Because they don't want to quite leave you yet. Sort of.
Martin Furber 21:49
Yeah, it's very, it's like you say handhold is, maybe too strong a word for it, but it's giving them that moral support, cheering them along. Because quite often, I mean, I encourage people to lose the weight slowly, as I say, it's not a prescriptive diet, it's about changing the habits, it's about changing their perceptions, it's about letting them understand actually, when they get relaxed enough to know what it's like to actually feel full. So you know, to eat, to leave, to have just had enough, not having that extra thing, because with a lot of people it's also portion size, not just what they eat.
Denise Billen-Mejia 22:25
And that's, that's another aspect. If you're sitting at the table and you're talking to people, you're naturally going to eat more slowly and not. Not everybody is going to have a person that they can talk to.I suppose you could have a zoom call, but that's sort of that's sort of antithesis of what we're suggesting. Mindful meal and where you pause, every so often, some people drink take a sip of water or whatever just to slow them down a bit so that they can recognise when that happens if you eat at the speed that many people do that one thing leaves your mouth and other things right in behind it. And many of us, work habits get in the way a lot, when I was working in the ER, if we had lunch It was exciting. So you're always in permanent rush otherwise something.
Martin Furber 23:15
And you're grabbing food out of a vending machine at three in the morning because that's all that's available.
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:18
And it was usually chocolate Yeah. Food will be an incorrect description.
Martin Furber 23:26
Yeah, and therein lies the other thing. You've just covered something else there. Okay. Big generalisation. I invite you to go out and see for themselves and see if they think I'm right or not. As I say just my opinion, but you look at most people who are obese, they are not slow eaters. Something you said about putting the next fork falling before you've even tasted or chewed. The other is that stress fulfilment thing is like shoving the food down and it takes away a little bit of that whatever it is that troubling you emotionally.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:02
You're eating your emotions.
Martin Furber 24:07
And we do, and we do, and I found myself doing that again this last couple of weeks.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:12
I mean there's people come from a background where parents showed love by buying them chocolate and ice cream birthday cakes. And the other kids whose families weren't able to supply them with adequate food reliably through their life, those kids also we have like this food I'm going to eat it now because it may be that won't be here tomorrow meal tomorrow yeah, even consciously you know I'm have a perfectly decent salary and I can do this and this and this. You you don't really get rid of that.
Martin Furber 24:42
No you won't get rid of that fear.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:45
But hypnosis can help you smother it!
Martin Furber 24:48
Yeah, I can help change your attitude towards it as well. You know, we've said it before, haven't we? We can't take away bad memories. We can make them into memories that don't seem quite as bad, as Important. Exactly. Yeah, it's, as I say, it's that stress response eating there where it's almost like when you see some people that are so stressed when they go and snort a line of coke, or somebody who grabs a cigarette.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:16
Yes, it's very, very fast. Yeah.
Martin Furber 25:18
I mean, it's for me, it was the same with food. I don't know, it's that feeling?
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:24
How would you, you wouldn't even have the time really to appreciate the taste?
Martin Furber 25:28
No, that's it. As I say, if you look at people who are hugely obese, we're not talking about somebody, as you say, wants to lose half a stone to get on the beach this summer. But you look at somebody who clearly has issues with their weight. Chances are they don't eat their food slowly. And it's that thing like you say, whatever those subconscious reasons are, maybe they didn't eat well as children. Maybe they didn't know where their next meal was coming from you watch them.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:54
Maybe they had a job that didn't let them have a sensible lunchtime. So they just learned that habit. You just Yeah,
Martin Furber 26:00
Yeah, you get into the habit of eating quickly. For whatever it is, it does something to us that makes us want to do it more and more, which again, we like repetition, though. It is very much like I say, eat what you want, when you want, what you want can change. And obviously will need to as well.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:18
And that's the bit that the hypnosis helps. Yeah.
Martin Furber 26:21
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Um, you know, for me and my position now. As I say the hypnosis really all I need to do is de-stress a bit, and I'll reset back to my usual self.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:36
Before you have to go out and buy new pants.
Martin Furber 26:37
That's Oh, yeah. No, that will not happen.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:41
Do you think it's do you think, this is totally ridiculous, but most women have several sizes in their wardrobes? Do you think there is? It's not uncommon for people to keep things that are one or two sizes smaller than they currently are. But a lot of people keep the other closing just in case I need it. Do you think there's you're better off getting rid of it just in case it's needed?
Martin Furber 27:05
Absolutely not, the bell tents have all gone!
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:09
How about that, a little less snug ones?
Martin Furber 27:12
I'm not, I don't wear tight fitting clothes anyway. But I mean, I can remember once I was decorating or something and I found an old shirt and I showed you how big I used to be. None of them all gone. They went to the charity shop.
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:29
Did you find that sort of a cathartic moment when you gave them away, or did it just happen slowly.
Martin Furber 27:35
Was it cathartic? Or was it me thinking never again will always waste so much money on oversized clothes, I will never need them again? So no, I was quite happy to let them go. They may have been used as tents in some country where they needed them. Talking about weight loss today. We're just got to the end of an episode.
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:55
And as always, people can contact either or both of us to just talk about your own circumstances or hypnosis in general. Yeah,
Martin Furber 28:03
yes. Okay. Can we just before we go though, can we just manage people's expectations?
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:09
About it's not? It doesn't do it for you that one?
Martin Furber 28:13
Well, no, in the fact that if somebody came to you and said, I want you to hypnotise me, so when I eat sugar, I'll throw up. It's not how it works, is it?
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:22
I don't, well, you could, but I don't do aversion therapy, it backfires!
Martin Furber 28:25
Yeah, I don't do that kind of thing, either.
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:28
Yeah. And I do know that several people in my life have gone for a session with a hypnotist basically had somebody read the basic script to them, you know, and, and then there's nothing, no extra support. And I don't think there are very many hypnotists now who are doing it that way, you know, because you've got to get the right mindset that's going to take a while, if you've never been hypnotised before, it takes you a little while to get used to that and listening to the audio. I like the way that you, in your initial consultation, you even introduce them to a little bit of of hypnosis. And, and just to learn your voice and learn to relax when you hear this, you know, all of those things. But it isn't us doing it. We are hypnotists, we are your guides to getting to that part of your mind. But if it's well I've been hypnotised now I can eat this. No that doesn't work.
Martin Furber 29:22
What I will say is if you do want to lose weight, you can do it, we can help.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:27
As can other hypnotists, we know people all over the place.
Martin Furber 29:31
Yeah, we do, actually. Yeah, we do.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:32
Thank you. See you soon. Bye
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:43
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Martin Furber 30:00
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