[00:00:00] Martin Furber: Welcome to another episode of Two Hypnotherapies Talking. Denise, how are you?
[00:00:04] Denise Billen-Mejia: I'm pretty good today. I'm revved up and ready to start my new program.
[00:00:08] Martin Furber: Oh, fantastic. Is this the weight management program?
[00:00:12] Denise Billen-Mejia: It is indeed.
[00:00:14] Martin Furber: Oh,
[00:00:14] Denise Billen-Mejia: it's going to
be and it's going to be rolling enrollment. So I do my my introduction call with anybody that's interested. That's tomorrow. We're recording this a week earlier than it's going to air. So obviously it would have happened.
But anybody that wants information, we're going to copy of that plus the freebies of the people. All right, we'll, we'll
[00:00:33] Martin Furber: stick more info in the show notes.
[00:00:35] Denise Billen-Mejia: Exactly, yeah. Yeah, well let's, let's record
[00:00:36] Martin Furber: a podcast. All
[00:00:38] Denise Billen-Mejia: right, let's go.
[00:00:40] Martin Furber: So, something interesting happened this week and it just prompted a little idea in my head.
Mm
[00:00:45] Denise Billen-Mejia: hmm, what was that idea?
[00:00:46] Martin Furber: Yeah, okay, well I got asked by a public relations company, would I like to answer 10 questions as part of a feature they do on their website called 10 questions. They interview various people within their radar, as it were.
[00:01:01] Denise Billen-Mejia: So is this like an article that goes out on the monthly?
[00:01:04] Martin Furber: Yeah, that type of thing. Okay,
[00:01:05] Denise Billen-Mejia: yeah. Yeah,
[00:01:05] Martin Furber: it's on their website and they put it out on socials and everything. And I thought it might be a bit of fun if we ask each other these 10 questions or we just both go through them together.
[00:01:16] Denise Billen-Mejia: See if we can
figure out the answers.
[00:01:17] Martin Furber: Well, yeah, but also if, if our potential clients wanted to know a bit more about us, these questions will more or less cover it, I think.
[00:01:25] Denise Billen-Mejia: Okay. All right. Are you
[00:01:26] Martin Furber: game for it? Yeah.
[00:01:29] Denise Billen-Mejia: I am indeed.
[00:01:30] Martin Furber: Ah, okay. So question one, how do you like to start your working day?
[00:01:35] Denise Billen-Mejia: With lots of caffeine, I'm afraid. I need to be fully awake before I start my waking day. Tuesdays, we're recording this on a Tuesday. Tuesday I have a 9am call, so I'm not really quite there yet.
Right. Okay. Yeah. Can I go to that? But that's uh, that's with somebody who just worked with me and uh, it's not a client call. I wouldn't, I'd be, I'd be fully caffeinated by 6am if I was seeing a client at night. But coffee's very important.
[00:02:01] Martin Furber: Yeah. Okay.
[00:02:01] Denise Billen-Mejia: In my life
unfortunately.
[00:02:04] Martin Furber: Okay. So for me, how do I like to start my working day?
Now, if you'd have asked me this question 10 years ago, I would have said 10 cigarettes and a cup of coffee.
[00:02:12] Denise Billen-Mejia: I
see. Very similar stimulation. Yeah.
[00:02:15] Martin Furber: Yeah. Now there's no cigarettes involved, thankfully.
[00:02:17] Denise Billen-Mejia: Good. Just the coffee.
[00:02:19] Martin Furber: Yeah. Lots of coffee. I do need, I need at least three coffees before anybody dares speak to me.
[00:02:25] Denise Billen-Mejia: I must admit, if it's summer or warmer out than it is now, I don't know if you We're going through a pretty fairly cold patch. So I'm not going out for an early morning walk, but I would do that if the weather were more conducive to walking. And that I find both relaxing, it's good in the evening too, but it helps me.
Get my brain straight before I start talking to people.
[00:02:49] Martin Furber: Right, okay.
[00:02:50] Denise Billen-Mejia: I should obviously
have done it today, never mind.
[00:02:53] Martin Furber: Yeah, no, I do need my caffeine in the morning, and I'm not particularly sociable until I've had about three cups of coffee. The other thing is, until I've had
[00:03:01] Denise Billen-Mejia: Do
you think that's actually the caffeine, or is it the amount of time that it takes to prepare and drink the coffee?
[00:03:07] Martin Furber: I, I asked myself that same question not too long ago, and, uh, it was actually when I'd run out of coffee one day without realizing it, so I made some herbal tea.
[00:03:18] Denise Billen-Mejia: Herbal tea? Not even real tea?
[00:03:19] Martin Furber: Not even real tea,
so there was no caffeine involved.
[00:03:21] Denise Billen-Mejia: Oh no.
[00:03:22] Martin Furber: No, it was actually okay.
And yeah, it, yeah, I think it's more to do with the length of time as well. And the ritual, the ritual. So I have my three cups of coffee. I have my bath. I cannot function without a bath. Like if I leave the house without having had a bath, okay. My day is messed up.
[00:03:40] Denise Billen-Mejia: You're a morning
bather, aren't you? Yeah, a morning bather.
[00:03:43] Martin Furber: Yeah, my, my, my day is messed up if I don't have a bath in the morning or if for any reason I was late, uh, or anything like that, I've got to jump under the shower at least. So that's how I start my working day. All right, let's go to question two. Oh, here's an interesting one. Where and how do you come up with your best ideas?
[00:04:04] Denise Billen-Mejia: Sometimes when I'm talking to you, you sort of blather on about our business and have bright, bright burning waves. I think it depends on what it is. I don't know if it's, you know, what I'm going to cook for dinner. It could be in desperation in front of the fridge. I don't know. Will you answer that first, see if I can come up with your answer.
[00:04:22] Martin Furber: Well, what does it mean by best ideas? In business? I'm presuming they mean in business. So where do I come up with my best ideas? Frequently when I am walking. When I'm doing my long walk, the one that takes me two hours, when I do that, after about the first hour, I'm in a completely different mindset and I can sort of think ahead.
Other than that, in the morning while I'm having those cups of coffee.
[00:04:46] Denise Billen-Mejia: In my youth, my youth, because I am old now. In my youth, when I had a problem that was needing deep thought, I would go for a walk in the rain. Much easier to do in England because it rains every day. But, and it doesn't come down in torrents like it did.
It's rain here, we get serious. But, you can clear your head, you know. Other than watching out for traffic. It's, it's nice, you know. Lots of other people on the walk with you can mutter to yourself to your heart's content.
[00:05:17] Martin Furber: Okay. Okay. Right. All right. So
[00:05:20] Denise Billen-Mejia: best business ideas. How do you come up with those?
[00:05:24] Martin Furber: My best business idea is when I'm walking.
[00:05:26] Denise Billen-Mejia: Okay.
[00:05:27] Martin Furber: Yeah, when I'm walking and, and I can say usually after about the first hour when I've completely decompressed. Okay. And I've got a clear mind that I'm in the moment of what I'm doing. But ideas will suddenly
[00:05:40] Denise Billen-Mejia: So you, you don't
go out thinking, I must have a bright idea for the next one.
[00:05:44] Martin Furber: No, not
at all.
[00:05:44] Denise Billen-Mejia: Okay. It just comes into your head.
[00:05:46] Martin Furber: Yeah.
[00:05:46] Denise Billen-Mejia: Okay. All right. I can get behind that. It's good. Do you have to write it down or do you mutter into a machine or something?
[00:05:54] Martin Furber: I tend to, once I've got home, I tend to make a note of it somewhere. You wouldn't see me with a pen and paper on a country walk, though, no.
[00:06:03] Denise Billen-Mejia: What's the best piece of advice you've ever been given?
[00:06:06] Martin Furber: Oh, well, mine was given to us by a mutual friend of ours, wasn't it? I won't name them on this podcast. Okay. But if you remember a few years ago? I, I was struggling with a particular thing and she turned around and said to me, just get over your effing self. And you know what? I was that shocked that somebody said that to me, especially this person.
[00:06:27] Denise Billen-Mejia: It's stayed in your
mind ever since.
[00:06:29] Martin Furber: It's
stayed in my mind ever since. And I, I would honestly say that was the best piece of advice I've ever been given.
[00:06:36] Denise Billen-Mejia: So
you have really gotten over yourself, have you?
[00:06:39] Martin Furber: Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.
[00:06:41] Denise Billen-Mejia: And this was in relation to publicizing your work.
[00:06:43] Martin Furber: It was, yeah.
[00:06:44] Denise Billen-Mejia: I think, I think, I mean, we all have.
that people know you've got to advertise.
[00:06:50] Martin Furber: Yeah, it was that thing, as I say, going into, well, I've worked for myself since I was 23. I've always had businesses, never been frightened of promoting the business.
[00:06:59] Denise Billen-Mejia: Right, but you were promoting the business. I wasn't the product though. Promoting your project, yeah.
[00:07:02] Martin Furber: Yeah, whereas
now I'm the product. Yeah, I had, I had a little bit of a mental block over it. So I spoke to somebody who does. promote themselves endlessly and shamelessly. And she told
[00:07:14] Denise Billen-Mejia: And very
[00:07:14] Martin Furber: successfully, I may add. Very
[00:07:15] Denise Billen-Mejia: successfully, yes.
[00:07:16] Martin Furber: And she just said to me.
[00:07:17] Denise Billen-Mejia: Not obnoxious about it.
[00:07:18] Martin Furber: No, not at all.
Not at all. No, this person has my utmost professional respect. But she said to me, just get over your effing self. And I thought, you know what? I'll do that.
[00:07:29] Denise Billen-Mejia: And things have been pretty good ever since.
[00:07:31] Martin Furber: What's the best piece of advice you've ever been given?
[00:07:33] Denise Billen-Mejia: Uh, I don't know.
[00:07:39] Martin Furber: Don't eat yellow snow.
[00:07:42] Denise Billen-Mejia: I forgot about that.
I think, I think a lot of it, of recent, since I've started business like you. I didn't have to advertise me. I was part of somebody else's team in the ER. I think a lot of it is that kind of thing, you know. It's, do people really remember? If you make an idiot of yourself on film, will they really remember?
No, because I'm never going to be so famous that anyone's going to hang on to a piece of film. It's not going to be a problem.
[00:08:09] Martin Furber: We'll see you on It'll Be Alright On The Night.
Okay, so what was the next one? What does leadership mean to you?
[00:08:15] Denise Billen-Mejia: Lead by example.
[00:08:16] Martin Furber: Okay, okay. What does it mean to me? Well, I'll rephrase the question slightly. What do I see in a good leader? I would say somebody who genuinely pushes somebody to thrive and when they can get respect out of that person and that person isn't fearful of them.
[00:08:39] Denise Billen-Mejia: That's why they lead by example, you don't say Yeah, so you go over there and do that thing,
if you can't point to the number of times you've done it yourself.
[00:08:50] Martin Furber: Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. That was a quick one. Let's see if this one gets a little more thought from either of
[00:08:56] Denise Billen-Mejia: us. It's number five, right?
[00:08:58] Martin Furber: Yeah. What's your top tip for achieving a work life balance? Now, we're both therapists, so
[00:09:05] Denise Billen-Mejia: And my kids are all, well, grown up, so it's a little bit of a different issue now. I just sort of announced, I've got to work tonight. I'll be on my computer if you need me. It's not quite the same thing. Little kids would be a problem.
[00:09:17] Martin Furber: Okay. So cast your mind back 30 years, you're working all hours in the emergency rooms. You've got three children.
[00:09:25] Denise Billen-Mejia: So when I came home, I needed to be home. I, I needed just David, my middle one. He would often greet me at the door and it was like back off. I need some, I need a buffer zone between me and yeah.
[00:09:39] Martin Furber: So how, how did you achieve a work life balance?
[00:09:42] Denise Billen-Mejia: I usually announced I needed to go take a shower and I would see him with you in a few minutes and that gave me time. to be in my own room with a lock on the door.
[00:09:50] Martin Furber: So you needed that, I like the way you used the term buffer zone. Yeah. Because I, I call, there's something I call shifting heads, which is in effect mental multitasking.
You know, when we compartmentalize things and we move things around, if all right, then let me expand on this question then, given your life experience now and your therapy experience, would you give any advice to that 30 year old Dr. Denise?
[00:10:19] Denise Billen-Mejia: Yeah. Jump into hypnosis now. I don't know. I don't know. I wish I had.
I wish I had been given the opportunity to learn hypnosis when I was a new doctor. Yeah.
[00:10:29] Martin Furber: Yeah.
[00:10:30] Denise Billen-Mejia: Because I started my residency at 30 and it was a pretty hellish, because I acquired two children along the way. I became a doctor. I got married. I had kids. All before finishing and then when the third one came along and I wasn't attending, it was just a breeze.
It was like, I have all this time. I don't understand but I think you also, you know, if you're a parent, you need to respect the kids needs to have you. And it's pretty much if you're standing in front of them, you're theirs.
[00:11:00] Martin Furber: Okay. So if you had a female client now who would say a mother of two and had a high flying, high pressure job, and she came to you with stress and anxiety,
[00:11:08] Denise Billen-Mejia: What changes would, could she see be available to her?
Because there's, there's a lot of different things available now.
[00:11:16] Martin Furber: Yeah.
[00:11:17] Denise Billen-Mejia: I think there's a lot of job sharing things that just didn't exist before.
[00:11:21] Martin Furber: Hmm. Yeah. Okay.
[00:11:23] Denise Billen-Mejia: In my, I, I can see now looking back, if the world had been this way when I was first out in practice, I might well have started working in urgent care rather than the emergency room.
I love the ER. But it's incredible stress and you needed that 30 minute ride home to start to come down from it.
[00:11:45] Martin Furber: Yeah, yeah, it's not something you could switch off because by, by mere definition of what it is, you've got people coming in there with all kinds of injuries and.
[00:11:55] Denise Billen-Mejia: Yeah, they can arrive two minutes before you're supposed to be able to walk out the door and you can't walk out.
[00:11:59] Martin Furber: Yeah, and I would imagine on an average week you would have seen several people pass away.
[00:12:04] Denise Billen-Mejia: Oh, yes.
[00:12:06] Martin Furber: Yeah.
[00:12:07] Denise Billen-Mejia: The total, the highest number of people I saw as the main physician in the room per on a night shift. My night shift started at eight and finished, well, seven and finished at seven. was 60
[00:12:21] Martin Furber: in one day,
[00:12:21] Denise Billen-Mejia: which is one night.
Yeah, that's, uh, that was a particularly hellish night.
[00:12:25] Martin Furber: Was it just a big department or was that a bus crush or something?
[00:12:29] Denise Billen-Mejia: It was, it was, there was some multiple, uh, big accidents, but we, we weren't the only ER in the area. We were the only one in that town. And we pulled from a lot of the, what in Britain would be considered villages.
Hmm. We were, we were pulling from other areas. It had a fairly big pull. Hmm. Not as big as it was when I lived in New York. That was lots of fun. In New York. , I worked on, uh, the Upper East Side and we had an 800,000 catchment area Okay. For our hospital, which is the catchment area of the hospital I was then working at.
But, you know, spread over many, many miles. You get several thousand people in a single office, a single apartment building.
[00:13:11] Martin Furber: Yeah.
[00:13:12] Denise Billen-Mejia: Okay. I digress. We don't need to talk about that. Yes.
[00:13:14] Martin Furber: Okay. So my top tip.
[00:13:16] Denise Billen-Mejia: What's your favorite one?
[00:13:16] Martin Furber: No, no. My top tip for achieving a work life balance. It's something I say to people all the time and it's something I say to myself when I'm having a word with myself and that is the less inclined you feel like doing something, the better the gain.
So. Yeah. If I'm absolutely bombed out with work and I think I can't possibly fit in my walk today, and I make myself do it, then I will feel so much better. Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, the less inclined you are to do it, the more reason to do it, I would
say. All right. Number six then. Which current or historical business figure do you most admire and why?
[00:13:57] Denise Billen-Mejia: Ooh. I don't know. I've thought about business figures as, as, uh, professional physicians. Yes, there are many physicians that I used, you know, I come from Salisbury, for those British people who are saying Salisbury Cathedral's been around a long time and they have Plaques on the, on the walls commemorating various people's demise.
One of whom was a 36 year old physician. I think he was 36, he might be 32. Physician who died during one of the plague outbreaks. And he was sort of my little motif. I used to go and sit in front of his plaque. I was preparing to go to medical school, get my ducks in a row to go to medical school. I can't remember his name now, I can see the plaque and I can't read it, it's very annoying.
But yeah, I don't have any business business people. I think there are some that I certainly think are more ethical than others. But I don't really think of me in a business. hypnotists that I admire. My current guru is uh Laurie Hammond who has been on the show. Yeah. And I'm very I'm very fond of her approach to hypnosis.
Okay. And I I can't think of anybody in particular. How about you? Do you have any business? Do you have do you have more people in business since you became a hypnotist?
[00:15:19] Martin Furber: No, mine's gonna be a historical figure.
[00:15:22] Denise Billen-Mejia: Okay.
[00:15:23] Martin Furber: Okay. And I, I, I can't remember the first name of this person, but it was Cadbury because they set up the garden villages for their workers, didn't they?
They built
[00:15:31] Denise Billen-Mejia: Bourneville. Oh, yes. Yes.
[00:15:33] Martin Furber: They actually acknowledged
[00:15:34] Denise Billen-Mejia: Was it Joseph? Was it, was
[00:15:35] Martin Furber: it Joseph? Yeah. But it was like they set up the idea of, yeah, give your staff a day off. And this was back in times when there were no workers rights whatsoever. Yeah, right. Give them a nice house to live in. Give them a garden.
[00:15:46] Denise Billen-Mejia: You needed a nice chocolate box.
[00:15:48] Martin Furber: Yeah,
[00:15:48] Denise Billen-Mejia: for sure.
[00:15:51] Martin Furber: And the other person over here in this country would be do you remember Timpson's shoes back in the day when you lived over here as a brand?
[00:16:00] Denise Billen-Mejia: So, no, by the way, I just looked up Mr Caadbury. It was John Cadbury 1801 to 1889, a Quaker who sold tea, coffee and drinking chocolate.
[00:16:09] Martin Furber: Oh, there you go.
[00:16:11] Denise Billen-Mejia: They also founded Philadelphia. They're supposed to be the city of brotherly love.
[00:16:14] Martin Furber: Not the cheese spread.
[00:16:17] Denise Billen-Mejia: No, not that.
[00:16:19] Martin Furber: Uh, no, no. The other person over here, business wise, he's, uh, do you remember Timpson's shoes as a brand over here? Like Freeman, Hardy & Willis. Okay. There were a chain of shoe shops.
They're not these days. There are a chain of cobblers, excuse the language, shoe repairers and kiosks and key cutting and that kind of thing.
The current figurehead there is John Timpson and they have an active policy of training and employing ex prisoners.
[00:16:45] Denise Billen-Mejia: Excellent.
[00:16:46] Martin Furber: Giving people a second chance because of, you know, we have that cycle of people being released out of prison, nothing to go back to, nowhere to live, no family et cetera.
And before you know it, they're back in that cycle of committing a crime because they've nowhere to live. They've got no money. So they, set up workshops within prisons, training people, and they have a policy of, uh, employing former prisoners. Giving them a chance. They also pay all their taxes in the UK.
They don't do anything dodgy to do offshore things and that kind of thing.
[00:17:18] Denise Billen-Mejia: Oh, ethical people.
[00:17:19] Martin Furber: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I really admire John Timpson. Okay. Number seven, what's your most trusted source of news?
[00:17:29] Denise Billen-Mejia: Used to be the BBC. I'm not sure anymore. Usually if, if I see something, most of the things that show up on my YouTube channel, I don't have a TV anymore.
I have. Internet, and everything comes at us through various apps. So when I'm looking for British news, I get an awful lot of absolute rubbish, mostly Royal Family related or not related, in this case, maybe. And if I want to do written word, then I use the Telegraph. I get the Telegraph electronically.
How about you? What's
your most
[00:18:02] Martin Furber: Uh, bbc. co. uk for me. Yeah.
Yeah, I don't look at any other news other than the headlines of the newspapers on the BBC, just to see what's happening. Alright. Oh, here's an interesting one, Denise. What's your favourite brand and why?
[00:18:18] Denise Billen-Mejia: Brand of anything in particular?
[00:18:20] Martin Furber: Brand of anything in particular.
It could be brand of tea, it doesn't matter.
[00:18:22] Denise Billen-Mejia: We could go back to Cadbury's. Cadbury's chocolate's lovely. I don't really have, I mean, I sort of feel that that's rather intended, that question is intended to get you back to the ethos of the community,
[00:18:38] Martin Furber: you
[00:18:39] Denise Billen-Mejia: know, that they've created in their business. No, I don't.
Do you have a favourite brand? If you tell me, you know, custard, I'll tell you birds because it's the only one I know.
[00:18:54] Martin Furber: My favourite brand, well, Quality Street. We've just gone through Christmas, haven't we? Now, well, funnily enough, I did say to you the other day, I'd had a root out. in my office for something I used to love a lot was Montblanc.
[00:19:11] Denise Billen-Mejia: Oh,
[00:19:12] Martin Furber: Montblanc. In fact, watch out for the new specs in a couple of weeks time. So in terms of luxury brands, yeah, I do quite like Montblanc. I like the quality.
[00:19:21] Denise Billen-Mejia: I only ever think of them as pens.
[00:19:25] Martin Furber: Right, yeah, okay, yeah, well, they do watches, they do spectacles, now, as I say, so watch out for those in a couple of episodes time, I will have them on.
[00:19:33] Denise Billen-Mejia: Okay.
[00:19:34] Martin Furber: I've just been fitted for them.
[00:19:35] Denise Billen-Mejia: You must have a very extensive collection of spectacles.
[00:19:40] Martin Furber: Well, I do, because I've got a pair for every day of the week, I'm like Elton John. I can't do anything with my hair, can I?
[00:19:45] Denise Billen-Mejia: Well, yeah, so.
[00:19:47] Martin Furber: Yeah, don't wear makeup. So what else can I do just to, you know, so I don't look at the same thing all the time in the mirror.
Change my specs. That's what I do. Okay, here we go. Number nine. Now this could be relevant to both of us. What's the most recent new skill you've learned?
[00:20:01] Denise Billen-Mejia: Hmm. Well, again, with the thing I'm about to bring out, I've, I've learned an additional part to the skill of helping people lose weight, and okay, in a group next, I've always, most of my clients have been individual, I've done very few groups, because I think most issues are so personal to the person, that it's It's difficult for them to sit through all the, when you, when you present to a group, you have to, to give like, not 15, but certainly three or four ways of presenting an idea because different personality types pick up different things.
[00:20:40] Martin Furber: Yeah, of course. Yeah. Different learning.
[00:20:41] Denise Billen-Mejia: Which means that, that the, the audios are way longer than they are for the individual client. So I think this is, this is probably now do you mean you scale like. NLP, I've got that in training.
[00:20:58] Martin Furber: Any kind of skill, any kind of skill.
[00:21:00] Denise Billen-Mejia: Well, what's your newest skill?
[00:21:02] Martin Furber: Well, for me, it's been over the last three years, being trained to be a professional trainer.
[00:21:07] Denise Billen-Mejia: Okay.
Because You're doing quite a lot of that these days.
[00:21:10] Martin Furber: I'm doing quite a lot of that these days, yeah. It's really, really strange, because when I look back over the years, I've always been a trainer. Because I've always had people working for me, so I've always been training them.
But it just didn't register. But it was sort of a natural transferable skill to become a formal trainer. So yeah, I would say that's the most recent skill I've learned.
[00:21:32] Denise Billen-Mejia: And it's very useful.
[00:21:34] Martin Furber: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. It is. Yeah. So I'd say that's my most recent new skill. And the final question, the 10th and final one.
We all use them. What management jargon phrase do you use the most?
[00:21:46] Denise Billen-Mejia: I don't know. What a terrible question. It's the fact that they say jargon.
[00:21:54] Martin Furber: Okay, buzz phrase then, buzzword. Yeah, well,
[00:21:56] Denise Billen-Mejia: I suppose, but jargon should be The, language used in a particular field. Okay. So if you and I are talking, we say NLP, we don't have to go define it because we're talking to hypnotists.
Okay. When you're talking to a client, of course you have to say neuro linguistic programming. If you, if you ask me what's my favorite thing for keeping my business organized, I'd say, My calendar, I'm making everybody else link if they want to go shopping they have to look on my calendar to see when I'm free.
[00:22:22] Martin Furber: Okay, okay. My, my, I wouldn't call it a management jargon phrase, it's a little catchphrase I use all the time and that is inclusion means everyone.
[00:22:32] Denise Billen-Mejia: Yes. Yeah, I use that. I use it all the time. It's a rule to live by, yes.
[00:22:36] Martin Furber: Yeah, I, I just, yeah, it is, it's my ethos, I, I think, because there's nothing worse than being left out and not feeling included.
[00:22:43] Denise Billen-Mejia: Included, yes. I, I
[00:22:45] Martin Furber: Because basically, all, all bullying stems from that kind of thing.
[00:22:48] Denise Billen-Mejia: Mm hmm. Well, the, the end result of bullying, the intended result one assumes, is to isolate the person.
Yeah. Allow them to be less and less.
[00:22:57] Martin Furber: Yeah, exactly. Which is why it works so well as a punishment when you, when you send a kid for time out or back in the days of the union, you know, when somebody was ostracized by the other workers, if they'd broke a union rule or something. So yeah, I just like that phrase.
I use it all the time. Inclusion means everybody. Well, you know what Denise, when we said we'd do this today, it was like, well, it gives our clients a chance to get to know us a little bit more, doesn't it?
[00:23:23] Denise Billen-Mejia: Yeah. And if they're not pushing. No, no, definitely I won't talk to them. If you'd like to talk to either or both of us, you can book time on our aforementioned calendars that are in the links below.
Yeah, absolutely. And if you're interested in the group weight loss program I'm running, which will start Probably about the same time this goes out it is going to run on an evergreen platform so you can join at any time if you want to miss much. So by all means, look at the link that Martin will kindly include
[00:23:54] Martin Furber: in the notes below.
Yes. All right. Okay. Well, brilliant Denise. I'll see you on the next one.
[00:23:59] Denise Billen-Mejia: Okay.
[00:24:00] Martin Furber: Okay. Bye bye. Bye
